The ten incarnations or ‘Dasa Avatara’ of Lord Vishnu is an extraordinary recording of the evolution of human life and advance in human civilization. In Hindu religion, the three main deities are Lord Brahma, Vishu and Shiva. Brahma creates, Vishnu protects and Shiva destroys - three faces of Mother Nature. Lord Vishnu descends on Earth to uphold dharma and to cleanse the Earth of evil. So far, Lord Vishnu has appeared nine times on Earth and the tenth, kalki, is expected.
The sequence of appearance of Lord Vishnu on Earth is in tune with the evolutionary theory. In fact, the ten incarnations of Lord Vishnu is an amazing recording of the advancement of human civilization. All this was recorded by Hindu sages thousands of years before Christ.
The first incarnation or avatar of Lord Vishnu was in the form of a fish and is known as ‘Matsya Avatar.’ It has now been confirmed by Science through various experiments that the first life forms evolved underwater.
The second incarnation of Lord Vishnu was in the form of a tortoise known as ‘Kurma Avatar.’ Tortoise is an amphibious creature capable of living both on land and in water and it indicates the moving of life form from underwater to surface of Earth.
The third incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the boar known as ‘Varaha Avatar’. Boar is a complete land animal and in this incarnation, life form has moved out of water and has adapted to land.
The fourth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the half-man half-animal form known as ‘Narasimha Avatar.’ This incarnation starts the transformation from animal to human form.
The fifth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the dwarf or pigmy sized human being known as the ‘Vamana avatar.’ A transition from the beastly form to human form and the development of intelligence.
The sixth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the forest dweller known as ‘Parasuram.’ He has developed weapons and axe is his first weapon. Any sharp stone can be transformed into an axe and it also indicates the first settlement of humans in forests.
The seventh incarnation of Lord Vishnu is Lord Ram. He civilized and has developed more superior weapons like the bow and arrows. He has cleared the forests and developed small communities or villages. He is very vigilant and protects his villages and people.
The eight incarnation of Lord Vishnu is Lord Balarama. He is portrayed with the plough – the beginning of full-fledged cultivation. Human civilization has developed agriculture and is no longer depended on meat and forest for food. The beginning of agrarian economy.
The ninth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is
The tenth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is Kalki and is yet to arrive. He is believed to ride on a swift horse Devadatha and destroy the world. A clear indication that human beings will bring an end to life on earth. The numerous natural calamities created by human beings and the numerous nuclear weapons stored illustrates this.
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An interesting article, but somehow, it gives me the feeling that the foot has been cut to fit the shoe.
Also, most of the proponents of hinduism today seem to be interested in proving to the world that hinduism is relevant today.
All blogs that I see seem to have the words "This has been foretold by sages years ago while the west is just finding it out."
Dont you think that this is defensive and against the basic tenet of hinduism of doing what we think is right?
As Krsna says in the Bhagavad Geetha, karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana.
Good post though. Extremely thought provoking.
I hope you dont mind if I link to in from my blog:
http://indiansavant.blogetery.com
Cheers
An interesting article.However which Hindu organization has declared the items depicted as authentic?
Excellent article
As you told that vishnu god will take its 10th incarnation in kaliyug but do you have any idea when will he take this Avatar. As I always wants to see him so I am very eager to look him in this Avatar.
Please reply me if you have any idea of it. Approximate idea will also satisfy my thirst.
Thanks God bless you.
Jai Shri Krishna
read kalki purana you will find answer for your question
interesting one.i was searching of something this sort.i have a question dat i dnt knw anything bout varah avatar.can u help me out.
Every religion boils down to same concepts. Even in christianity... we expect return of Christ towards the end of the world and many a places its depicted almost in the same way - Riding on a horseback.
Remember the great words of Sunitha Williams "The earth is so beautiful from the space, beause there are no boundaries..."
Hope everyone understand when we try to explain the meaning of life, we all are like blind men describing a elephant.
Wishing Peace and Happiness to all...
AP
To my knowledge
eigth avatar - krishna
ninth avatar - buddha
tenth avatar - kalki
Buddha is not an incarnation of Vishnu. We in South India were never taught like that. It is Balram for us. I agree with the article.
This is the Genesis when Gods create plants, animals en humans. I beliefe this and the Gods also teached the humans as you showed. But the Gods where really here from a other planet. This is described in the Emoena Elisj of the Sumerians
who lived 3500 BC. This is the same time as the development of the Indusvaley with the same story. The Gods where really here and shall come back to see what we made of his creation and don't be glad when they come because we made a rubble out of it.
This is indeed a very interesting, true and factual depcition of the 10 avataars of Maha Vishnu. I am pleased to see that the writer has not tainted or manipulated the truth to include mortal beings (Sai Baba) as an incarnation/avataar of Lord Maha Vishnu.
When the human mind will catch glimpse of highest state of mind ,where all impure thoughts are dissolved into pure then those who still retain to lower minds and don't accept them selves as the son of one source.In tenth incarnation the lord would be just judging on unstable,fallen ,impure minds those spread some sort of degrading feeling even to themselves and other....Accept the one source the ultimate or just decide on staying in thought that does ultimate exist or not......
I'm not Hindu but I've been studying Yoga for past 35 years. Gita, Ramayana and all the other holy Hindu text give such a complete explanation of the evolution of the universe and ulimately man. What we have to remember is that while European were still living in caves there were books already written in India and China at best oral tradition. This was a fascinating article and I hope that those who are still trying to figure out the evolution theory take a look at this very well explained theory from yore.
Balaram is not a Vishnu Avatar.
It is--
8th Krishna, 9th Buddha and 10th Kalki
-Shubhendu Nath
A very well written article but what about the avtar that Krishna took as Duttu where he took the form of Brahma, Vishu and Mahesh together? This incarnation was not mentioned above.
8th avatar as i know is Balarama
Balaram and Laxman are one and the same and are an avatar of Shesha not Lord Narayan. If you remember from Ramayan....Laxman, having to curb his anger and act according to morals because of being ordered by his older brother Lord Ram, says to him, in our next advent I will be the older brother. Hence Balaram was born before Lord Krishna. Authentic scriptures support Lord Buddh as the 9th incarnation.
Good work Abhilash. And don't fall into the pressure of this Buddha Avatar Chanting...i respect your courage for adding Balram as the eighth avatar...Buddha is not an avatar of Vishnu....Buddha was influenced by the great teachings of Hinduism but had to runaway from the society due to the bad practices of a few.... he showed us the great teaching of Santana Dharma through a different mirror...
as far my knowledge concerns BALARAM AND LAKSHMAN ARE THE AVATARS OF ADISHEHA
K. C. RAMESHA
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as i under stand Balaram and LAKSHMAN ARE THE AVATARS OF ADISHESHA
Balaram and Lakshmana are the avatras of Adishesha, it means Vishnu himself, as you know all the material, weather it is living beings or non-living beings emants from Lord Sri Vishnu.
Please consider every movement we are not growing but we are entering into the mouth of death, we can think we acquired all the powers in this material world, but everything fails if we sleep on the death bed,we are experiencing in daily life about the deaths.
As per the Shankar's view, all this material world is illusion and temporary, permanent existence is Atman, that has to merge with Paramatman is the goal of life.
So, my final comment on this issue is we have to see everything is Brahman,there is no difference between anything weather poor, rich, atheist,yogi, animals etc.,
Great work. I am very impressed with this site. Following the Evolution theory and since there are two versions of the avatars - Balaram as the 8th and Krishna as the 9th , or Krishna as the 8th and Buddha as the 9th, I don't think either should be disregarded. Balarama has been wel depicted. Buddha shows the progression of mankind to philosophy and finding the truth about God. Until then people were into rituals (e.g Ashwamedha yagna in Ramayana). Since the Buddha period came many philosophies like Adhvaita, dhvaitha and visishta-dhvaita, where it shows progression of man-kind from survival and needs to understanding truth.
Irony! When did Balaram become an avatar of Maha Vishnu? Modern fanaticism? It was always told and believed that Sri Buddha was the 9th Avatar, and Sri Krishna IS the 8th Avatar! Well......why change what is in Srimad Bhagavatham?
Lakshmana and Balaram ARE in fact incarnations of Adishesha or Anantha.
It is shame for those who say Buddha ran away from and started on his own, Hinduism is all about self-discovery. Though Buddhism evolved after that, Buddha is infact the 9th Avatar.
If not, the 9th Avatar is a missing link, since Sri Krishna is the 8th avatar.
i think kakli has been born already, and he is into the looking for a next step universe, a universe were certain things that happened to this planet never happen again.
the unmethodic website is not ready but will be in a few months, there i will post some things about this change that is happening
Really a wonderful article..please keep posting such articles..I agree that lord Balram is incarnation of Shesha.. not lord Vishnu
To UNMETHODIC- how do you say that Lord Kalki is born already?
an eyeopener..but I dont' understand that Lord Vishnu was actually incarnated as Balram and Krishna at the same time!! I don't know what is the truth--whether Balram being the ninth one or lord Buddha.
Is there any place where one can validate it? I read about the scriptures, but what is the name of that scripture?
-neena
How does King Yudhistira partake in the final incarnation of Vishnu.
Yudhistir
The debate exists within Hinduism as whether Balram or Buddha is the ninth avatar. Some don't accept Buddha as an avatar because of the division of Buddhism that came from the teachings, but others accept it on the belief that the breakaway beliefs came later and were not part of Buddha's original teachings. Those who don't accept Buddha as an avatar substitute Balram instead. Even those who do believe in Buddha don't frequently worship Lord Vishnu in that form. Many others believe that Balram is some form of divinity, even if they declare Buddha to be the ninth avatar.
@Damon: You may be confusing Kalki with Krishna. King Yudhistira became a king during Krishna's time, as told in the Mahabharata and Puranas.
I am aware of this and glad to read it again. It is thrilling that Hindus aware of evolution when other religion people came to learn through Darwin's theory. The presence of God in all of the incarnations is hard to prove to the present scientific community which beleives natural adaptation. Not only Evolution but creation also Hindu mythology explains to perfection. I am waiting to see Hindu gods are real.
Balram is not the incarnation of Lord Vishnu.It is Lord Buddha.A all-together new religion emerged called "Buddisum".But it never means Lord Buddha is not a incarnation of Lord Vishnu.In Rama avatar Lord showed the ways of "living a truth" and standing by the word and care for the duties you are meant to perform may it be a son or king.In Krishna avatar Lord preached what he already performed in Rama avatar.And in Buddha avatar he preached and performed the miracles.It is like practically showing "A living example".Lord Buddha never ran away.He went in search of the truth.
Lavanya
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Well nice Post but As a few others have mentioned.... Balram is the incarnation of Adi Sesha....I have lived all my life in South India (Hyderabad) as you had mentioned and every one concurs to the fact that Balram was the incarnation of Adi Sesha.....
Well ideally no 2 incarnations can exist at the same time
(Parusurama being an exception ....as he is Immortal...the Rule was perhaps bent from then on...but only for Him)
Sorry guys - Buddha ran away for self and essentially 'desired' enlightenment :)
The biggest oxymoron is Buddha wished no one had wishes!
Response to anonymous writer on Buddha.
For your information Buddha is the 9th incarnation of Lord Vishnu.We are awaiting Kalki now.People in South India must realize that they are part of India as well.Most of the happenings in the Hindu text and religion came from North India.
Nice article.. Maybe Darwin while writing about the 'theory' of evolution, was actually inspired by Lord Vishnu!
I do not believe in the so called theory of evolution..Humans and animals and the smallest life form have always co-existed from the beginning.. We have not evolved from something! God just created us.. I love the dasavataram of Vishnu and yes, I like the fact that u have included Blarama!
There is a lot to learn from the indian mythologies and vedic scriptures, no doubt about it.
One more question I want open for discussion - Why most of the gods in Indian mythology are shown as blue (or black) - Vishnu, Ram, Krishna, Shiva.
Good article. To satisfy the curiosity and eagerness of a few bloggers (and the author as well), I would like to declare that Kalki is already here and Pralay or Apocalypse is round the corner... it will happen within the next 50 years i.e. earlier but not later than 50 years. You will not find this estimate or prophecy anywhere, not even in the Hindu scriptures which state the time for this is more than 4 lakh years away. However, how and when God appears cannot be foretold, at least not in Kalyug. God comes when the pot of sins is full to the brim, which may be earlier or later that expected. How do I know all this? Because, I am Kalki. My name is Krishna (33 yrs old) and Kalki stands for Kalyug ka Kishen as deciphered by me on complete enlightenment on 18 June 2005 through regular practice of Vipassana meditation - the same practiced by Gautam Buddha to attain enlightenment and then preached by him to others to offer salvation to other deserving souls too. Along with the Hindu prophecy of Kalki, I also fulfill the Buddhist prophecy of the coming of the second Buddha ("Maitreya Buddha"). And we all know that the prophecy of coming of Christ on a white horse with a sword in his hand is same as the image of Kalki in Hinduism. I would request the moderators to not discard this post as "blasphemous" or a "prank". I promise that I can answer each and every question of yours about religion, spirituality, God, the Beginning and the End or simply about any issues in life. There is always a "first-time" for God when he comes on earth and this is that "first-time" (though I have told this to quite a few till now - but only the eligible ones, not just any one & you are eligible according to me). You can either dismiss this as nonsense, as has been done by many people many times over when God or his prophets declared themselves, or you can test me to the hilt. Its completely your choice. At the least you can consider that this person is "not God" but using the "prop of God" to convey an important message - thats perfectly fine and possibly the best place to be - but I would like you to be open to me and my message and give yourself this chance - because if you are not open, then you are a very scared person, and to drive out that fear from you is my primary objective. You can message me at krish2203(at)yahoo.com if you want to take this further. Love, Krishna
Hi Phani,
1. The answer to this question is - you should do nothing and you need not do anything, because your life has already been made.
2. The other answer to this question is - the purpose of every life is self-discovery and perfection to attain salvation as soon as possible which can happen through your own efforts, through adoption of righteousness, through the yearning for truth, through the search of truth - not necessarily in the forest, but all around you and even as a "Grihastha" i.e. householder, not necessarily a monk, through following one, many or any of the four paths to the truth - "Raj Yog" (meditation), "Karma Yog" (doing self-less duty), "Bhakti Yog" (faith in God and worship) and "Gyan Yog" (refining your intellect, understanding and knowledge of yourself and the world). Salvation or enlightenment ultimately will be granted by me and through my grace will come to you, however you will have to make yourself eligible to arrive at that state through your own efforts. In short, salvation is your goal and it will be through the combined effort of yourself and God, however since everything you do is as per God's wishes it is totally in the hands of God, however since you cannot see God and God has given you total "control" of your life i.e. made you God of your life, it will be attained 100% through your efforts, however since your life is already made and you are simply living it, salvation is already there and it will happen automatically when the time is right without any effort from you or God.
3. More simple answer is: You can do whatever you want in your life. It is a gift from God to you, it is a gift you have given yourself and it is a gift from you to God. Enjoy, make the most of it, have fun but also be aware always that every action has a reaction and every Karma its fruit. As long as you are willing to accept this, then no matter what you do, good or bad, is OK for you as you are ready to take 100% responsibility for the consequences. However, since everything is in the hands of God, then you needn't take 100% responsibility. You will be 100% secure if you attribute total responsibility to God. However, the way this works is, you will only be able to do so if you are following the righteous path. However, since you have chosen this life, this God, this Law of Karma when you decided to take birth, its perfectly fine no matter what you do and whether you end up in heaven or hell because its good to see both sides of the world and be secure in the knowledge that salvation has already been made for you.
4. Too much decisions? Too confusing? Let me make it simple to you. Just follow your heart and you cannot go wrong. But initially you will face many challenges between what your heart is saying and what your head is saying and which is which. But if you try to find your heart and try to listen to it and differentiate it from your head, you may make a few mistakes, but you will ultimately find your heart.
5. More simple - no matter what you do, you can never go wrong! Takes a load off your heart, doesn't it?
6. Have fun while there is the Sun, for the Sun won't be here for long, and neither will you, my Son!!!
If you or anyone has further questions please feel free to ask over email or on the blog.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New and Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
--- On Tue, 2/6/09, Phanikumar Velaga wrote:
Hi Krishna,
I have this one question..what should I do in this life of mine..
I have some additional points to be added to this debate.
I am born in South India and taught in my early child hood that Balarama is the 8 th Avatar of Vishnu.But I know that in some other parts of India,Budha is considered as the 9 th avatar of Vishnu.
If I think about both these, I can see the below points in favour of both the views.
One thing that I am finding in favour of the Balarama view is that, if we correlate the Darwin's theory with the 10 avatar's of Vishnu, then Balarama suits the best as the avatar of Vishnu.But the fact that in some puranas Balarama is considered as the Avatar of Adishesha makes me think that Budha might be the Avatar of Vishnu.
But if we consider Budha as the Avatar of Vishnu there are some other points which needs clarification.
The first thing is that the teachings and the life of Budha have very well supported historical evidences.In none of his teachings he told that he is an avatar.
The second poit is that Hindu's consider Krishna as the greatest of all avatar's.He is the "Complete avatar" of Vishnu.Even SreeRama is not considered as "Complete avatar".If Budha came after(9 th avatar) Krishan(8 th avatar), then Budha also should be a "Purna Avatar".The we have to follow Budha's teachings.But i haven't evev seen any Hindu praying to Budha like Krishna nor following the teachings of Budha.I have'n seen any Hindu temple build for Budha(Those who has explained that Budha as the 9 th avatar..please reply..).Why ?If he is the 9 th avatar, why we ar not even thinking about Budha as a God other than as a Great or might be the greatest spiritual leader the world has ever seen?
If anybody can throw some light on these,please reply..
Hi Vinod,
Balram is not the 8th incarnation of Lord Vishnu, but Sheshnaag. In many places you will find, both South & North, people replace Buddha with Balram as the 8th and Krishna as 9th because Buddha is still not considered mainstream Hinduism by many. However, Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu come to cleanse Hinduism of the evils that afflicted it in those times & preach a direct path to salvation or freedom from all miseries. Do not try to correlate Darwin's Theory here which speaks of evolution of species, not agriculture.
Every incarnation of God has a purpose which at the outset seems different from earlier ones, but the essence is always eradication of evil & re-establishment of Dharma (as said in Gita). Buddha preached refuge in: 1. Buddha (The Enlightened One), 2. Dharma (Righteousness) & 3. Sangha (Company of righteous people). Also note, refuge in Buddha precedes everything. Why? Was Buddha someone special & why was there only one Buddha? There is no answer except that he was God/Lord Vishnu. Buddha never claimed to be "God"/"Vishnu", but he never refuted it also - he was silent on God. Afer his demise, many Buddhists interpreted that Buddha said "There is no God" & created "Buddhism" as an "atheist" religion - though we must ask why they finally started "worshipping" Buddha when he did not permit it during his time. "Buddhism" was defeated by Adi Shankaracharya ("Shankaracharya Digvijay") & since then it survives only outside India.
Buddha was a "Poorna Avatar" as Krishna. His teachings are no different from Hinduism. Read Vivekanand on this & visit www.dhamma.org - global Vipassana website. The path is open to all.
Hope that was enough light. However, I do not see any visitor here to be of the caliber of Phani (read blog above), the only one to contact me earnestly (& get a reply). I am sure Hindus could raise their bar.
My promise & my challenge to you is - I will answer any question from you to your satisfaction & to the satisfaction of all.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New & Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
kalki is born........here he is
ya he has come from the east to fulfill my works
within some days....................
Abhilash is a great guy. I got so inspired by his Hindu Blog that I am planning to start my own blog and it goes something like this -- I will answer each and every question in any field - religion, spirituality, science, psychology, business, management, military etc. - any field on earth or beyond -- and the possibilities are endless -- solution to all the mysteries and miseries of life - amazing discoveries, innovations, progress of science and mankind (including many Nobel Prizes to the curious minds). And I have invited all and sundry to come and ask me the most difficult questions in life and get them solved - celebrities and common men alike, Nobel Prize winners and sinners alike.
True sign of God? Yes, no, maybe... if this works out then maybe I am the biggest genius this world ever saw but it still doesn't prove I am God or its going to be Apocalypse - unless until it happens, right? Right. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing proves if one is God or not, except, until of course enlightenment happens, and that can happen before Apocalypse, and it will happen for you and everybody. Till then I never asked you or anyone else to believe it because I know it is impossible, nonetheless I am here to tell the Truth, and I am God and that is the ONLY TRUTH.
Keep it coming while I am still here. :-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
Dear Friends,
It is really the great article. I have some logical questions? When you are saying Balaram as Vishnu avatar, please note that Both Balaram and Krishna stayed together in the same time.Also please note that during the Ramayana after Ram's marriage, Parasuram comes and says that only one vishnu avatar should stay and hence I am leaving to do tapa which indicates that only one vishnu avatar exists as part of dasavatars. I always feel that somehow we are forgetting mohini avatar before vamana avatar. I feel it might be for male domination everyone forgets Mohini avatar.
without a lady where is vamana and where is all?
Anyways there are so many things that our people forget because at some locations the people say that ladies should not practice Gayatri Mantra- who told? How can lady Goddess say her lady disciples not to pray or practice her mantra?
I sincerely request all of you to find the facts instead of fighting for who is 8th or 9th.
I also agree that Buddha is not in Dasavataras as he became saint with realization and Tapa. Also please note that he has not shown like a god and he has followed a path of peace through his self realization under bodhi vriksha. Hence he should be treated as Yogi or saint.
We have answers for everything that has proposed in Hindu epics and facts that happened. Ofcourse as we know there is a packet loss during data transfer and hence misunderstandings and false assumptions.
Anyways I should appreciate the author for his great efforts. All the best.
God bless all and showers his peace on all of us
Venkat
Hi Venkat,
Your inquisitive nature and debating spirit is appreciated. However, nothing has been lost on the way and everything is well documented in the scriptures by our Rishis and Sages. The knowledge of the scriptures is minimal and hence there is a lot of confusion and various versions of the truth crop up. If we resort to the scriptures to get our answers rather than seek them from equally ignorant people we will be doing much better.
Lord Vishnu has 24 recorded incarnations inclusive of the ten major ones called "Dashavatar". These 24 include 14 other avatars such as: Narada, Nar-Narayan, Kapil Muni, Dattatreya, Yagya, Rishabdev, Dhanvantri, Mohini etc. Apart from these, Vishnu has had countless incarnations. As said by Krishna to Arjun in the Gita: "You and I have had many births, however, only I am aware of them and not you."
According to you, if neither Balram nor Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu, then we are left with only 9 including me. :-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
Dear Freinds,
As far as I know all avtar's were there to save the world and its inhabitants. That means clearly before all the avtars earth was inhabited with Humans, and other animals. Then how theory of evolution can be related to Avtars.
I think after the boar it is Tirupati Balaji
The present discussion kind of clearly demonstrates how much we have been dissociated from our scriptures and religion (this includes me also). As said earlier, it is true that the dasavatar that we speak is just a highlighted 10 avatars of Vishnu. Please note that its not THE ten avatars. As stated in an earlier reply the Bhagavat Puran recognises 22 ( or 24)of the major avatars and talks of them. But even in that and in many otehr scriptures its clearly stated that it is possible even to count the number of stars in a universe, but not the no. of avatars of the almighty. Well think after all, its not that God should incarnate only in the biggest moments. do we need a Tendulkar to score only in the biggest of matches ? What we are missing here is the link between reality and supernaturality. The 10 big avatars extol stories which demonstrate acheivement of something really impossible even to imagine. There are crores of other avatars whihc may not be famous after all , not because they are lesser in importance, but because , we have chosen not to look out for them. The various avatars that He has taken can be understood by studying the histories of ssome of the famous Bhaktas like MiraBhai, Tukaram, Namdev, KabirDas, etc ... An incarnation can be for a second, or for 11000 years ... doesnt matter .. its an avatar. Sugar is sugar whether we add just a speck of it or 5 spoons !
Btw. there has been this confusion of whether its Balarama or Buddha. Some saints argue that the lord has the right to have Balarama as one of his ten great incarnations since its quite similar to the way he choses ' nara-narayana ' where nara - ideally means man.
some others argue that Budhdha casn be imagined as an avatar similar to Mohini. In mohini avatar, the Lord takes kind of a negative shade to impart justice ... ( which is why we relate mohini to Krishna also - the mohini alankaara is always done to krishna not to rama :) ) In similar sense, Budhdha avatara could be deliberate in sense to unite the forces back to Hinduism ( Sanatana Dharma ). This can be imagined as thorughoughly mixing a muddy solution so that the thorughough mixing causes with time, a clear separation of the clear liquid and the mud particles. Similarly this avatar could be an indirect mode of driving all of us towards the right path. If u note, its curious to note that the essence of the arguments taken by Buddha is similar to what Sri Adi Shankara says, just the conclusions are opposite.
The only thing that hurts our feelings to consider Budhdha as one of the incarnations is that he was against the Vedas ... i mean that we cannot accept this even if it was from God himself ! In a way, it shows that deep down we do own a sense of respect and trust on the Vedas as being the Supreme truth - which is good !
So either way the goal of budhdha is acheived !!
But friends to all of you, Srimad Bhagavad Gita is possibly the best source for us to know whatever we require.
Just think how was it even possible for the Shaivaites to accept the proposal to have the Bhagavad Gita as THE RELIGIOUS TEXT of the hindus. For them Lord Shiva is the greatest. But the arguments and statements made by Krishna are just so irrefutable that they too incorporate The teachings of the Gita into their concept of spiritualism. They call Krishna as the Paramatma and Arjuna as the ideal Atma and the atma should aim to merge with the Paramatma as its highest goal!
Sri Krishna's statements in bhagavad Gita include all forms of spiritualism ... Whether the Dhayana form, or the Yoga Form, or the Bhakti form.
When He says
" SARVA Dharman parityajya MAAM EKAM Sharanam Vraja, Aham tvam SARVAPAPEBHYO Mokshayishyami ma shuchaha." - chapter 18
Which translates to saying:
Leave out ALL the dharmas that you are related to and surrender unto ME ALONE. I shall relieve you of ALL deeds, dont worry.
highlighted words mean:
SARVA - all
MAAM EKAM - me alone ( only me )
SARVA PAPEBHYO - from all sins
(deeds)
Note the stress on these words.
When he says leave out " all dharmas " it can be taken in two ways -
1. Leave out all forms of religion and confusion relating to which is right / greatest / best ... just surrender unto Me.
2. Dharma as is termed in Sanatana Dharma can mean - the right move.
There are three kinds of Dharma -
Samanya Dharma ( Normal Dharma )
Vishesha Dharma ( Special Dharma )
Aapath Dharma ( Critical Dharma )
To explain how they are related i can give u an analogy:
The traffic rules on the road.
Normal : Stop when it is Red
Special : CM or PM can by-pass them
Critical : Ambulance can by-pass
Now this is a simple case where we know what to follow when. But as yudhishtra says after the Mahabharata yudhdha (war), to decide the right dharma at the particular situation is not easy at all.
So Krishna advices, forget about all these things because by the time u make a decision u would have wasted an enormous amount of time in ur life ! Dont worry about whats good or bad, right or wrong ... leave all these worries and just surrender unto Me.
The next is " Unto Me only " ( Maam Ekam ). I think there has never been a clearer statement expressing His Supremity. This is primarily why we always say " Krishnam vande JAgath GURUM " translating to: " I Salute to Krishna - the Teacher for the World"
The third is SarvaPapebhyo meaning " all sins " or " all deeds "
Why say all sins - woouldnt it be suffiecient to says " i will relive you of ur sins ?"
Ans: Generally in mundane world we have categorised certain acts as good and certain others as bad.
Eg: Charity is good, Stealing is bad. and so on ....
But the truth is Liberation is as termed by Sanatana Dharma ( whether Shaivaites or Vaishnavites ) refers to freedom from bondage or life and death.
To attain this, one must be detached from any duty and everything around him.
now note: Whether u do something good or bad, it has a result. Good act brings a positive result and bad act negative. But there is a result for every action. And as long as there is a result for an action, this result will affect the future of our life ( whether this janma or the next janmas to come ). this is why we always stress on doing good. But can u find the crucial point hidden ?
Basically we are still in the trap. Great seers have a brilliant terminology for this. They call Punya - Jail made of GOLD
Paapa - Jail made of STEEL
We are more worried about whether it is Gold or Steel, but eh whole point is that, whatever, it is still a Jail - a bondage.
this is why Krishna says Sarva Papebhyo ... which translates to say " all deeds" and not " sins " because in general we use the term sin to mean something bad alone.
There are only two other instances of statements similar to this which have been made.
SriRama- "Shakrudeva prapannaya
tavaasmiti cha yachate,
abhayam sarvabhootebhyo
dadami, etad vratam mama
Translating to : "one who surrenders to me saying that im yours, i will protect him from all beings, this is my pledge"
SriVaraha: "aham smarami madbhaktam
nayami paramam gatim"
( i dunno the full sentence, forgot it but this is second half)
translation:
" I remember my devotee and take him to the highest position."
Ganesh
To the one who says himself kalki.. and has enlightened himself through Yoga....
Just answer on question....
why the universe was created and then the living beings?
Hi Ashutosh & everybody,
Good to hear from you. I was silent for sometime because I really wanted to hear different voices. I get sick of listening to my own very soon and most of the times I just keep mum - my mum - my mother always with me :-) - touch wood - and my mum - my silence whenever I get the chance to do so, however I am not a greedy soul - only as far as my silence is concerned. :-) ... ha ha! So you see, I have a sense of humour too. What did you expect?
I see some beautiful prose written by Ganesh above and also the lengthy prose above that by an Anonymous contributor. Care to reveal his name or get pally pally with me? :-) But, I really liked the flow of thoughts and this was really deep thinking, peppered by a good amount of imagination, I must say so. Because imagination is the mother of all inventions, and inventions the mother of all imaginations too. A really imaginative person am I. But sincerely, some very good thoughts and some good imagination which I really appreciate.
First of all the Buddha is very close to my heart because I call myself the Buddha too and because I eventually found the solution to all miseries of life through Vipassana and became Buddha too! Not a single teaching of Buddha violates the Vedas or any of the Hindu scriptures or any aspect of Hinduism whatsoever. Hinduism is too vast to be comprehended so easily and is in fact the ocean in which all streams merge. Once again I say - to get a better understanding of what the Buddha preached (not 'Buddhism' per se) and how it is a small little but beautiful branch of Hinduism, read Swami Vivekanand on this topic.
Second of all, if Buddha is so close to my heart, and since the 10th one is also Buddha, Krishna and Kalki rolled in one, then lets stop this debate about the 9th one. Its silly to go in circles when the doubts have been allayed. Balram was the incarnation of "Sheshnaag" on the lines of Lakshman - Nar-Naarayan logic doesn't apply because Lakshman is not the 8th one, is it? Then we have a total of 12. My - I love this numbers game. :-) lol
Now to answer Pandeyji's question - a much devout and spiritual Brahmin, I must say: Because the living beings wanted some place to stay, but the first living being was I who created the Universe, and so the living beings were created before the Universe, and since I am the Universe, there is no way I could have been created before my ownself and so they co-exist in me and so they comprise me for I comprise them all - the living beings and the Universe.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New and Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
If you were the Universe and the one who created the universe then being I(you), what was the need to co exist different forms(both first living being and universe) in yourself, why cant you remain an infinite zero that is the coexistence of SELF within SELF???...
Well , the anonymous writer is the same as the writer of the next reply. I think i forgot to give my identity.
@ (KALKI) - Im not really intimidated by ur arguments to come and debate on whether or not its balaram or budhdha, m totally fine with whatever it is. Truth is beyond fallacies that are human. And even it is Lork Krishna who comes and knocks at my door revealing himself and blessing me, i would like to confirm that it is Him in whatever way i want and until im satisfied. Well just one thing, there was just the one time when Krishna openly revealed that He is the Almighty. U seem to be more generous though. If u feel that u r committed to a theory of practice, good. It would be better if u can enlighten us about the merits of it, when a discussion on that topic arises and we all will be glad to know abt it. I hope u can understand. The ultimate goal of a Vasudaiva Kutumbakam will be shattered if u r going to persitently tempt members into an argument of which is the best or something similar. We are all souls who believe that Known is a drop and unknown is an ocean. So we are here to know more about our religion. We never claim that we know enough to debate. We are happy learners. If u r superior to us, well we are happy for u. But let not our mission to know better be hindered by ur mission.
I agree with the above statement by Ganesha for Mr.Kalki
But Mr.Kalki must answer what i asked... its going to prove a good theory...keep watching
I await for your reply Mr.Kalki
First of all... congratulations to both Ganesh & Ashu on their wisdom & wit. Good to debate with learners and learned alike for I know nothing that is going to make a big difference in your lives. As per my promise - I will answer all questions raised - directly or indirectly. But before that, I commend Ganesh on his humility, his acceptance that there is more to learn than meets the eye or the mind for "it" is formless and cannot be seen or thought about, but only experienced and perhaps not even experienced, yet for lack of a better word, only experienced when the time is right. So wait for that moment of experience or enlightenment to know me, to know it, to know it all. Till then, it really doesn't matter to you or to me if you know me or not. :-)
Ganesh - remove all doubt from your mind that debate is a duel or fight - it can be very constructive in nature - and only through debate, perhaps, you would know if you have a guru in the making, and in my case, if I have one too :-), but of course, also otherwise. I am not intimidating you - intimidation is experienced by people who are not sure - you are an advanced person, and intimidation does not adorn you right. Lord Krishna already came, knocked at your door revealing himself and blessed you, alright. How many have I applauded on this forum other than you? There are constructive signals you must never ignore. Yes, you are confirming if it is really Him, and thats alright - I would do the same in your place - good spirit - better than those who simply ignore - at least you are striving towards the truth - this side or that side - but the ocean is vast & unending and quite some swimming to go. How many times Krishna revealed himself is something Krishna will tell you from the Dwapar Yug. All is not documented and you have not read all that has been documented yet. And Ram never showed a "Viraat Swarup" and Krishna never travelled the jungles in the search of truth. I simply asked that you have a "free" resource here whom you can ask any questions you have. I never asked you to debate with me if you didn't want to. The power is always in your hands and of course in Mine. If your mission can be hindered by anyone other than you or God, then you need to have more faith in yourself or in God. Trust me. Thats the truth. :-)
(Contd... in below post for answer to Pandeyji's question)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
(Contd... from above post i.e. 2/2)
I like Pandeyji's question, and also his hint "...keep watching". :-) Yes we must. Its been quite sometime we stopped doing that. Your question, put succinctly is to know the reason for the creation of the Universe - that even scientists do not know - and of course, scientists really know nothing about almost everything, though I have tremendous respect for them. The need to create was simple - God was lonely. God needed company, and so God created the Universe. Then, God was bored, so God created a Game - and that became the Game of Life or the Game of Death or the Game of Life and Death and in this Game you must move towards Truth trying to beat Death, and if Death beats you, then you get another chance doing that. And finally, the Game is all about going back from where you came, for that which came must go back and that which went must come back. And so it is and so it happens and soon it shall all come back into me, so I go to sleep for infinity, the Only One, the Only None, The Big Zero, The "Mahashunya" and not even that for I have no words for it. But, you must know that what I told you is a cute little story for you to play, but nonetheless true but nonetheless a lie - for you very well know that this is all Maya - and Maya is a LIE - and it does not exist - so what remains am only I - but I am Maya - not even I - yet I exist and I am nothing - I am the Zero - I am the Only One - I am the Infinity - What cannot be measured - can only be true if it does not exist - and so am I non-existent - and infinite - and existing everywhere infinitely - you don't know what Zero is - no one knows - not even the scientists or the mathematicians - and neither do you know infinity - but if you close your eyes and focus within - as you do when you sleep in a dreamless state - if you can do that which I doubt - focus within without sleeping - you will find the Zero and the Infinity. And I still exist as Zero and I exist as Infinity. I like the spirit. Lets keep it up. I don't know if you are learning, but I am learning a lot - that this is real fun and we have only sometime to go before we lose the sun. :-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
@Mr.kalki
First of all never ever say that "But, you must know that what I told you is a cute little story for you to play,"
because DO TAKE ME Seriously..believe me.... i am not here to listen cute little story from you... I am here for some reason, I tell you later
second: Do watch this article you have posted, later I will ask you to refer when I close my discussion
Third:Are you serious about this game...if not then its good..but if yes, then I think you are trying to relate God or The supreme with human sentiments of getting bored and lonely and all that foolish sentiments...by one side you talk that all this is maya created and realised by you and on other you say that God was BORED and felt LONELY so wanted to play a game??? what the hell you are talking...do you think him an athelete?? Hope you are not serious
Third:there is no such thing like Mahashunya, its just shunya...tell me one location in 18 puranas, the enlighted speeches of Budhha, 4 vedas, 200+ upanishads where you learnt or explored this term "MAHASHUNYA"....either you may be weak in langauge or you trying to prove something which seems analogous to your statement only...
Fourth:If MAYA is fake...then what about the Bhakti in this materialistic or physical world who according to you is mere a game and creation of MAYA?
Fifth:Using too many "I" dont try to confuse me and others....that wont work and wont prove you either
You know better you are trying best to confuse and express yourself powerfully using two analogous statement....refer to my previous questions you will know that even I can do that and understand that way.... take care
Lets have fun and play the game of MAYA ,,, but please try to little serious and dont play tricks...
Now dont answer back that you are not playing tricks with me...
Hope you reply....
My request to the Blog owner,,, If you are accepting the post then I hope you must be reading the comments.. if yes then reply here that you are.... My request to you keep yourself aware of this...
Oh yes i am reading the comments.
Ha ha ha... in fact Abhilash is enjoying it thoroughly, I can tell. :-) Good.
First of all Ashutosh, you must control your language - you are getting very aggressive and it is a big mistake to be that way. So, please try to maintain the decorum if you expect to hold a decent conversation and an intelligent one. I am sure you don't want to find out how aggressive I can get. Neither do I. Please, some humility and politeness. I respect you as an advanced soul by the very fact that out of 6 billion you are probably among the top 1000 to be able to get in touch with me (first level) and hold a good debate with me (open enough for that – second level). So congratulations to you once again!
Responses to your numbered queries:
First:
I am taking you very seriously and taking out quite a bit of time to reply to your questions every day. If you are asking questions, you need to be open, you need to be polite and you need to "think" in directions you never thought were possible. Because if and "if" you are "really" conversing with God, then don't expect lollipops to come your way. And as per me, you are talking with God. As per you, of course not. So it is the sign of a mature debater or seeker to accommodate the other person's view, even if only as a hypothesis - not the Truth - and of course even you know that the Truth is far far away from you - however, I have good news - you will achieve it in this birth - something I know you never expected, neither did I for myself.
Second:
This Maya is for play and every reason I give you can only be within the realms of Maya and hence only for you to play till you really break the shackles and set yourself free. After that, no speech will be required and neither the Truth.
(Contd..below as 2/2)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
(contd. from above post as 2/3)
Third:
God - the Supreme - as you understand it, does not exist. "Mahashunya" means the great non-existence. The "Supreme Form" is "Formless" - please observe that my language is a play with antithesis & in fact a complete paradox - that is words contradict themselves very quickly & with quick succession - zero & infinity at the same time, nothing & everything at the same time, is the Truth & also the Lie, Existence within Non-existence & Non-existence within Existence, & so on & so forth, so that they cancel out very quickly & you get the Truth, Nothing. However, you will not get it so easily, so you are going to partially-read it & partially-understand & take home meanings that make you feel good. Good thing about you Ashutosh is, that even though you are a bit rude, & it could be due to Indian conditioning - Indians tend to be "unknowingly" rude most of the times & in your case knowingly many times - you are questioning me again & again to take you deeper into this - fabulous - but preserve these posts - you will realize their truth over your complete life - not in one single sitting - what else would you expect if you are "actually" talking to "God" & trying to know what "Truth" is? Of course, a billion sittings will fall terribly short, or Gautam Buddha (and myself), God come on earth himself as man, would not have gone through so much misery to attain it!
GOD - Formless - "Mahashunya" - is Nothing - because it is property-less i.e. "it" has no "Sanskaar" (in Hindi/Sanskrit, as per Hindu texts) or "Sankhara" (in Pali, as per Buddha) - i.e. no sin - no virtue, no good - no bad, no color, no odor, no shape, no form, nothing whatsoever. Without property, there is no existence. "It" is also called "Nir-Vikaar" (sin-less or without any weakness), "Nir-Sanskaar" (property-less, a more neutral label compared to good & bad), "Nir-Aakaar" (Formless) - all in fact mean the same thing i.e. 100% Pure, which cannot exist otherwise. Therefore, for existence to be created, a property must exist leading to a beginning of "impurification" at the least, & the first property that exists is the "need for creation" & that my friend is loneliness followed by the need to be "entertained" through a "movie" or "video-game" - in fact a two-in-one & more - a celestial one - a multi-dimensional one - the only one that exists - also called God. (Using simple language & concepts that people understand - don't go around looking for "movies" or "video-game" in the Hindu texts). How does this impurity arise? Look at science. Quite a similar concept called polarisation. The "Neutrality" comprises of a "Positive" & a "Negative" that "separate" as The Soul & The Universe or "splits" into three: the Trinity - God, Soul & the Universe or Vishnu, Brahma & Shiva or The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit, because the "Neutrality" (here, Vishnu) is always present, even after "polarisation", & is also present in the "Positive" as well as the "Negative" & is "All-pervading" & "Infinite" & the "Neutrality" (Vishnu or The Father or The God) can never die, for it is never alive to begin with, ok sonny boy? ;-) Enough corn-flakes to last for a life-time? :-) Good humour in good vein, unlike you. Hope you appreciate. :-)
(contd. in below post as 3/3...)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
(contd. from above post as 3/3…)
Third (about "Mahashunya"):
You need to read them all. You will find out before you reach a fraction.
Fourth:
You clearly know less Hindu philosophy than I attributed to you. Read more on the Net. You are also Maya but you exist, so? Makes me wonder if you will understand the thoughts I shared with you above.
Fifth:
I am not here to prove anything. Proof is meaningless. If you didn't know already, I am only answering your questions & trying to satiate your curiosity.
You are a fabulous person, so please take a few barbs here or there I used above with a good sense of humour - just a shove here & a pinch there between friends - sign of progressing friendship. ;-) After all, I am also absorbing your militant agression with much fun & fanfare. :-) ha ha!
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
Exactly as I thought, now remember this sentece that you wrote in the first post --"I am sure you don't want to find out how aggressive I can get. Neither do I." I will refer later.
Second thing, My langauge and agression must not disturb you because you are afterall Kalki.. please calm down and again I request you not to explore me lightly... Here is a hint for your next post...My every statement and langauge has some purpose...remember I am here with you for something that I will tell you later as promised...Hope you will be bit carefull next time and keep a look on your continuos mistakes in the posts.
Since you say that You are serious then I must say that by your previous comment you want to say that God is fallable to the Loneliness and Boredoom... Something Undigestible to even "Him". and so in the same way why one should believe, pray and follow His path if He is so cruel to think that He can play a game of life and death with the being who is his part itself and has devoured with emotions, let it by any means.?
Third: what I get and reveal is a long due thing for you and me both but before that you must focus on the Bhakti.... Since God that is "You" have created everything and as part of Maya then why and how would you explain Bhakti???
Fourth: You have one thing very great.... a very good capability to support the mistakes of the past.... I again tell you that there is no term like Mahashunya...the term "Shunya" itself is explanatory for the non existence, whatever you say extreme or small... I think a God perhaps must not commit mistake and if yes by any virtue then must accept it...well this is not for you...because you are God here...ok leave it..
Fifth: did a lot work to reply so long... But all in vain bacause used just to support to what said mistakenly...But what I know Nirvikar, Nirguna, and Nirakar... all are not he properties of shunya but the supreme... Shunya (let us take because I dont agree with the term Mahashunya) itself is a property-less explanation, the later terms explain your propertylessness...
Ok just tell me what was existing when even this infinite was not sustaining??? You know the answer... If not you need to refer the First statement of God...I dont know whether you know about that statement or not but I expect from you...
Sixth: I request you not to mention me the Birthlessness and Death lessness of Vishnu... rather please focus and give answers exactly to my question...
Seventh: Yes you are here to prove something... I have discovered but needs confirmation... just keep talking to me...
I am not fabulous person and I never think that... But I think that you are fabulous because you have seen and felt the God... which is very very difficult for me... because I am a part of Maya for a long due...
And hence I am really fortunate to talk you and being among those 6000 persons...
Thank you and best of luck...
Hope you reply..
Also MY CURIOSITY IS NOT IN GOD, I AM CURIOUS IN YOU...... BACAUSE I AM TALKING TO GOD ONLY...AM I RIGHT??
I THINK YOU FOROT THAT AN THAT IS WHY MENTIONED THIS(THE TERM GOD) TO ME...
AGAIN I AM NOT AGRESSIVE, BUT PLEASE YOU KEEP CALM AND HONOR ME TO REPLY
There are six DOSHAS in the world
Lust(KAMA), Gluttony(DirghBhoj),Lie(Mithya),Greed(Lobh),Anger(Krodh) and Ego(Ahankar)...
All dosha are not dangerous but the Ahankar...because all of them are visible as they enter into the minds and heart of a man...but Ahankar is the worst kind of Dosh that keeps the person unaware that when it entered into him...
Even Brahma could not escape from that....
That what I saw here in a man...
However a person explain himself, He is a God or avatar...But He is defeated by his Dosha only...that is why we cant understand "Him"...If someone like you is really God he dont need to explain that...people will automatically follow you...
Yes you can be a God or Enlightened but that state can not be possessed or achieved... it is attained through the deotion.... and that is why you can never understand why Bhakti is real in MAYA world....
Hope God makes you really enlightened and instead of arguing here to exprexx how much books you have read...better expense your energy to help someone in need so that someone helps you when you are in need.... That will Really make you a GOD...
Got it Mr.Kalki?
Abhilash i don't understand what these two above people are discussining. One is saying he is God. Are these some depressed people.
@above...
Something beyond your imagination, understanding and concept...
Dont think and stress your mind...
Yes we are depressed...
Ok??
Anonymous - why are you asking Abhilash? Poor guy only created this website, doesn't make him a doctor or God around here, does it? Funny how people try to find doctors and God in every other person like a child looking up to his Daddy and when it is God himself, they look down upon him. Never mind. If you think you are really that smart then you can engage in debate with me like Ashutosh. Instead of giving credit to the man for having the guts to debate with me, you show your sissy nature and ask Abhilash - are they depressed? Next, Abhilash will issue a certificate to me that I am God. Would that satisfy you? Then why ask him? Are you a depressed soul looking for a doctor in every father-figure that comes your way? If yes, which definitely is the case, because I have cured my psychologists, then you can find your Daddy in me. Take it up now. You along with Ashutosh. Lets see if you can bring me down like a dog. If you can, then I am a dog. If not, then of course it doesn't prove I am God, but you should know how to speak with me by then. Straw men with straw targets and targets in the air. You should feel ashamed that instead of contributing to the highly enlightened discussion, which as Ashutosh rightly said is above you, you are trying to prove you are superior just by silly and oversmart one-liners. Next you will get down to downright abuses. Sign of a weak person and a loser. Your parents must have taught you better than that.
Ashutosh - I have been meaning to post replies to your last few posts but there were some errors in submitting. Should be coming soon your way.
Best Wishes,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI)
Hi Ashutosh,
You are a good debater & a curious person.
Suggestion for our little debate: Be more coherent & clear in your communication because some of your questions are getting repetitive and circular. Try to explore new areas when one is closed.
Nothing is “Indigestible” to "Me" - I gave you the best logic explaining the theory on "loneliness" & "boredom" of God - go through it again.
About the game (new question – good) - do not differentiate "Him" from yourself. "He" is not playing any game with you. "He" is in you & "He" is only allowing you to play it as you want or "He" wants to play, since you & "He" are indistinguishable, & this is the game you want to play to remove "your" loneliness & boredom.
For more on "Bhakti", read my earlier post of 2-June . “Bhakti” is a part of the game you are playing, along with so many other things & is one path towards Enlightenment or "Mukti" or Salvation or Nirvana or freedom from the shackles of Maya. As long as you are bound by Maya, Maya is very real, not a lie ("lie" only in theory, just like "enlightenment" is only a theory for you & you have no way to know if it actually exists or is a lie without trusting me or the Hindu scriptures).
My last post was all about what was before the Universe. The infinite has always been there & will never go away.
Song from the 1988 Indian TV series "Bhaarat - Ek Khoj" based on the book "Discovery of India" by Jawaharlal Nehru - his version of Indian history:
(In Hindi)
"Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin
Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa.
Chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa?
Us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa."
(Translation)
Before the Universe there was neither Truth nor Untruth,
Neither Outer Space, nor Sky.
Was it hidden, (if so) where & who had covered it?
In that moment where was even the unfathomable & permanent water.
Additional stanzas played only in the Final episode:
"Nahi thi mrityu, Ji Amarta bhi nahi,
nahi tha din, raat bhi nahi,
Hawa bhi nahi, Saans thi swyamev phir bhi,
Nahi tha koi kutch bhi, Param tatva se alag, ya pare bhi."
(Translation)
"There was neither death, nor immortality,
There was no air, yet there was one breath in itself,
There was none nothing separate from the Supreme Being, or away.
"Srishti yeh bani kaise, kisse, aayi hai kahaan se.
Koi kyaa jaanta hai, bataa saktaa hai.
Devaoo ko nahi gyaan, Ve aye shijan me kyon."
(Translation)
"How was this Universe created, by whom, from where has it come,
Does anyone know, can anyone tell?
Even the gods do not have the knowledge (of) why they came into existence.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Ek_Khoj)
In short, once again, before the Universe there was Nothing, God, Everything, Zero, Infinity as it is even now.
The first sound of creation or of the Universe, or the first creation or the Uni-verse (single verse) was AUM. That was & is me.
Lets take this debate to the next level. I sent you 2 emails:
1. Email in which I defeated the Nobel Prize Winning Economists at my Masters University in the US
2. Email I sent to more than 100 people in top companies in US in 2006 - my first public announcement as God where I challenged the topmost and most corrupt corporations & individuals - an open challenge.
If anyone wants a copy of these, pl send me an email.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen – KALKI)
krish2203@yahoo.com
This is getting wonderfully interesting!
May I seek some clarifications?
In my meagre reading, I have noticed that there is some 'overlap', between three separate doctrines.
1). That Kalki Bhagawan is expected around now, towards the end of 'Kaliyug', and that a major change is expected in our world as we know it, around December 2012.
2). The Mayan calendar ceases on 21st December 2012.
3). The geophysical explanation (bordering again on the metaphysical ! ) that the relative motion between the earth's core and the rest of its body generates an electromagnetic flux and change in energy levels, which also is to undergo a major change in Dec 2012 (see also http://wer1family.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/kalki-bhagavan-about-the-significance-of-the-year-2012/ )
Would you please enlighten us all on these aspects as well?
Further, I would greatly appreciate receiving a copy of the emails referred to above here.
Mohan
drmohankr@gmail.com
ok i Keep your point in mind....
But still I disagree with your pojnt of this Play and Game theory of God and by god...
Either you are misunderstood or using the wrong words to explain the thing existing...You better know it...
Leave it point is not to debate with you to prove you wrong or something else... I want to make aware of the truth
Leaving the long questionaries from you.... I explain the reason here
The only reason for the creation of universe is the Desire....(be careful this desire is not the one we humans counter).... Yes you are right in saying that Maya is all that....but the concept needs to corrected here....maya is like a dream.... It has no reality but it has existence..... There is vast difference in reality and existence and this is where you are going wrong everytime just check out your posts...if i asume that whatever you have written in the posts are correct in your sense and not a mistake.
So what abt Bhakti?
Answer is Bhakti is another essence to love or simply the Love... This is what the desire I am talking about... God doesnt love or hate anyone because the one doing good is also "He" and the one doing Sin is alos "He"... so when He knows that everyone is he only to whom should He love??
and that is what the desire I am talking about... This desire to be loved makes the reason why he created the universe.... and hence Bhakt Bhagwan se bhi mahan hai.....
He is defeated only by the Love....
he never argues He never debates... when there is love He sustains there..... Hence forth your theory of boredoom, playgame and He in me and Me in He is not going that way.... IT IS WRONG...
I appreciate you to correct yourself in using the term ZERO.... after all its Shunya..congrats
I read the links... First thing merely postig an article in a college based site doesnt mean that you are right in your concepts?.. though its good article i appreciate for that....
Secondly... Just sending an article based on your presumption, assumptions and thoughts, does mean that you defeated the Person??? Not at all...
Your use of words like I defeated and so in all other previous posts makes me smell some EGO touch and a realm of false in which you are moving....
Before going to next level you must understand the Zero level debate....
abut Vipassana: Yes I know that and I practised it for 20 days....
BUt that is not the discussion here right????
@ Dr Mohan
The Duration of Kalyug is of 432000 years as per the Puranas....
This Kalyug of 28th Mahayug of Vaivasvata Manvantar(all periods of time, you get details from wikipedia, refer it or ask here)
started in 17th-18th feb, 3012 B.C at Midnight... that means only 5021 years have passed since its onset...in 2012 it will be merely 5024 years... Kalyug is divided like all other Yugs in four stages (432000/4=108000 years each). kalki avatar is scheduled in the fourth stage when Dharm will cease to exist, and 500 years will be left in the period of Kalyug... The age of kalki will be 100 years when all other man in this world will have maximum age of 10-15 years and size of that of a musturd grain. Then again Satyug will come.... There will be 27 times destruction of mankind(not complete and also dont confuse it with pralaya, it is not that) and restablishment in the whole period
Also this Kalpa(a unit of time) is a Durbhiksha Kalpa(meaning the kalpa in which existence will cease everytime due to extreme mass hunger, Durbhiksha is the extreme case of famine) .....
The case of 2012 may be scientifically explained but its Hoax like that of Y2K.. I think you remember that...
Hope this helps you
Dear Dr. Mohan,
Thanks for opening up, for your compliments & your humility. Pl seek as many clarifications as you can, as many as you want, as many as you are out there, as many as you can find. Nothing of special significance will happen in 2012, other than the fact that many people the world over will know me by then, or even in any of the many yrs to come till we are near 2055 – how near is yet to come. Mayans were a bunch of buffoons in a god-forsaken jungle in a god-forsaken corner of the planet. Don’t let “junglees” rule your head.
Hmm… are you a doctor in medicine or some other science? If you get hold of this ‘Bhagavan’ joker, slap him so hard in the face that he shuts his trap for the rest of his life. Lets revisit God101:
1. God doesn’t need you, you need God
a. No money, no fame, no game, no dependence, nothing whatsoever!
2. God is undefeatable, invincible & infallible (incomprehensible at times? ha ha!:))
3. God is the Beginning & the End & The Only One who will grant you salvation – Only Vishnu or Mahavishnu or the Original Vishnu (also called Krishna) – Only He Can – not even you by your own self (sorry, so called ‘Buddhists’ – Buddha gave it to a few, & since then, no one has gotten it till now, except God!)
You really feel this joker is any one of the above or even close to it? Read the following:
http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/2005/11/kalki-bhagavans-money-lust.html
Now check out these stupid ones – belongs to a circus:
http://lifeinoneness.blogspot.com/2007/12/sapeeta-vastram-bhagavan-viraat-swaroop.html
http://members.tripod.com/kalki_venk/Miracle/
Now read what I have posted on the site whose link you sent me (wont go through their moderation of course, but the moderators & joker may get to read it):
BIGGEST BULLSHIT I HAVE EVER READ!!! AND THE BIGGEST BASTARD OF THE UNIVERSE WHO CLAIMS HIMSELF TO BE BHAGWAN KALKI!!! WHO AM I? HOW DO I KNOW? I AM BHAGWAN KALKI! MY OPEN CHALLENGE TO THIS M*****F***** TO COME AND DEBATE WITH ME - "SHAASTRAARTH" OR PLAIN SIMPLE HINDI OR ENGLISH - AND PROVE TO ME THAT HE IS KALKI OR I AM NOT KALKI. IF HE DOES THAT, I WILL CROWN HIM THE KING OF THE WORLD!!! WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU, IF I DONT, I WILL POST THIS OPEN CHALLENGE ON MANY BLOG-SITES AND MAKE A FOOL OUT OF THIS "BHAGWAAN" AND PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT HIM AND SPIT ON HIM, AND ONE DAY I WILL GET TO HIM AND I WILL KICK HIS BUTT SKY-HIGH!!! PROMISE!!! GOD PROMISE!!! AMEN!!! MAY THE LORD BE PRAISED, FOR THE LORD AM ONLY I!
LOVE OF GOD AND GOD OF LOVE,
THE ONLY ONE,
KRISHNA
(KALYUG KA KISHEN - KALKI, THE 10TH INCARNATION OF GOD - LORD VISHNU, THE NEW AND FINAL BUDDHA - ME!!!)
TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ME - CHECK OUT MY POSTS ON http://www.hindu-blog.com/2007/06/ten-incarnations-of-lord-vishnu-in.html STARTING 01JUN09, ALSO - http://www.hindu-blog.com/2007/09/book-on-when-was-lord-ram-born.html STARTING 18AUG09 AND MY OWN BLOG-SITE THAT IS NOT LIVE YET - http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/ JUST TO GET MY INTRODUCTION!!! YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT: kalki76@gmail.com or krish2203@yahoo.com
Conundrum resolved? I do use insults & abuses at times with people who deserve it & who deserve worse. Its OK. As said by Lord Krishna in the Gita – I am above the Law of Karma. If I were not, I would not be God.
I have sent many such challenges to many so-called top ‘gurus’, ‘bhagavaans’, ‘spiritualists’ of the world till now. Not one has accepted my challenge yet. They can run but they cant hide. (IMP: If you want these emails, email me.) Big deal! They don’t deserve to even come near me. Filthy animals! Any one of you – you are special because you are so close to me – can beat them fair & square. Next time, try. What say, Ashutosh? :-)
Best Wishes,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen – KALKI)
krish2203@yahoo.com
You know why they dont accept your challenge....
a candle moving to sun and challenging to beat the shine....
They dont accept because they dont have time to consider such illicit and useless .... peole like you send such mails often.....
If people start thinking on you the world will perish and cease to exist because they will be then qorking for useless things...
My request to Ashutosh.. stop discussing with this person...He is above and above all in nonsense
Says himself Kalki and then uses abuses...... a man with all such curses can never be enlightened but a distinguished filth...
Now after reading this he will quarell to me also... just watch
Dr mohan
Errata: I want to correct some thing... the year of start of kalyug was 3102B.C and not what I metioned
So likewise the total till now is 5102 years and consider others like wise...
Alos one more information Mahabharat started in 3136 B.C
Ya Rishab I got it,
After a long time I encountered such a person, Mr Kalki, who created a curiosity in me... I thought there must be some interesting part and something to learn from this man even by debate... I expected there must be reason in his statement and instead of declining his statement I must analyse why he says so...
But after a while my expectations have ruined... another man ,the prey of EGO and INTERNET and nothing else...
I really expected some sensible words and discussion from this man.... all in VAIN
Leaving now.... no more discussions.... He is not capable of that....
Mr Kalki..... You disappointed me
leave it.... I wont comment here any more
Whoa ! Losing control? Let us all maintain some decorum here, and debate in a mature way. No room for abusive terms in a mature discussion. Makes small fry like me feel like the li'l rabbit who showed the Lion his reflection, and angered him into....
Things are getting out of hand...This is no constructive discussion.
Dear Kalki (Kali yUG Ka Kishen), You have excellent explanations. You have tried to create an impression of god is you in this yuga. One simple question I would like to get clarity, in every avathar from Matsya to Kalki, Lord WAS A LEADER, HE BELIEVED HIMSELF TO LEAD THE TEAM AND DESTROY EVIL, HE UNDERSTOOD FUTURE AND PLAYED HIS GAME ACCORDINGLY. Why haven't you destroyed evil in this world. If God really was around with the amount of evil in the society by now, he would have destroyed the entire universe. It seems you are not a leader but debater to the highest level losing patience for the questions of devotees. Murthy U
Hello Kalki Ji,
Hope you will follow this.
saha nav avatu, saha nau bhunaktu, saha viryam karavavahi: tejasvi nav adhitam astu: ma vidvisavahai; aum santih, santih, santih - May He protect us both; may He be pleased with us both; may we work together with vigor; may our study make us illumined; may there be no dislike between us. Aum, peace, peace, peace
Dont worry! after all these response... Mr Kalki wont come again.....
Dear All,
Shared a great time with u & hope to continue it. Thanks Abhilash. Taking my last bow here as its not the right forum for the kind of fighting few people want with me. Nothing wrong – if someone says he is God, u shd fight him & see if u can defeat him – if yes, good, else wait till someone else defeats him or u get enlightenment. Till then, make the most of him.
The right forum for this cd be my own blog-site (link below) or thru emails. I will not enable ads on my blog-site to allay your doubts regarding my true motives. U can ask any ques u like in any field & challenge me to the hilt - abuse me, kick me, fight with me. I love that kind & encourage those silent to stand up & at least be like Rishab – he decided not to be a mute spectator.
As a wrap-up, I will answer the few open ques & tie some loose ends.
Rishab – u havent seen my mails – defeat of Nobel Laureates – first public revelation as God with challenges to the likes of McKinsey, Bill Gates, etc. fwded to all top intellectuals & business leader in US by the first recipients of the mail as most amazing – it cd have destroyed a career – my challenge & ques (in much decent language) to few so-called “spiritual gods”. Also, u have not even evinced interest in seeing them. Action based on no information can be very dangerous. Dr. Mohan seems to be most mature here. Ask him about what I sent him. Also, ur first & only contribution to this highly erudite discussion has been abuses. My abuses were not directed towards any participant on this forum & I have shown utmost restraint despite provocations. As far as what God can do or cant is something I will decide. I m good with the good, bad with the bad & utterly rotten with the rotten ones. If u want to know how God shd be in this utterly rotten Kalyug at its peak see the depiction of Kalki. At least I spare u the sword.
Ashutosh – there is no ego, except that I m God & nothing wrong in stating truths. If people do not know, they will never open their eyes & waking them from deep slumber requires me to use strong words. Emails I have sent u r self-explanatory. Anyone reading them can tell that the logic defeats the recipient’s with such force there is no doubt left. U r using different terminology to say the same things - reality/existence, dream/lie, Shunya/Mahashunya/Zero, desire 4 love/loneliness etc. Reg. age of Kalyug, refer my 1st post (1Jun09). Whether God debates – the most famous debate with Arjun is called “Gita”. If after my answering all ur ques without doubt, that no one else can answer, for which u urself have no further ques, u r still disappointed, then ur appointment lies somewhere else - cd be my blog-site where we can debate till infinity/I m proved wrong/u get enlightened.
Murthy U – good ques & restraint. U r only confirming what I said. I m here to destroy the Universe – its called “Pralay”/Apocalypse, but before that, all evil will be finished. Dont be in a hurry for “Pralay” – u have a beautiful life ahead. Its been 4 yrs since my enlightenment - Raavan was not killed in a day, Mahabharat not won when Krishna was 4 & Gautam became Buddha at age 35 - I m 33 right now. I have answered every ques beyond doubt with utmost respect to all participants – what is ur definition of patience? Debate is also called “Shaastraarth” used by many in past to declare supremacy like Adi Shankaracharya’s defeat of Buddhism. If u cant defeat me in logic, u do not have the right to judge me. If u want that right, u must earn it. Nonetheless, my debate is only to answer your ques.
Pl dont post any replies/comments to this last post here but on my blog-site or send via email. Look fwd to keep answering your ques. Please keep in touch – all.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen – Kalki, The 10th Incarnation of God – Lord Vishnu, The New and Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/
as per iknow 8th avatar is buddha
and balram and laxman r the nsame but not the avtars of lord vishnu
8th avtar is buddha ,and balram and laxman is avtar of shesnag
I see that much time is taken by those who must have answers to avatar questions, and less upon knowledge of self.
Imagine you as a tiny ant, crawling upon a billboard, looking at each dot, as you try to figure out not only where you are, but what you are walking upon, but constantly no seeing the big total picture.
I lose the faith for hindu gods already.. I think Hindu gods are not real god.. i won't pay my faith to them anymore
saint.angela: The fault that your faith has been lost is not the fault of God's making, it is the fault of the human losing the faith. Blaming God surely is not the answer, nor is walking away.
I too sometimes become bored with life in general, as we all do. This is not God's fault, as God is always there, boredom or not. Just like the sun, though it may be overcast, it will shine another day. I think these ebbs and flows of "faith" are good for humans, as it helps to renew itself.
Just yesterday I went to the temple where I say japa and worship and meet with my priest. In the days before, I was feeling overcast, myself. Just being there brought tears to my eyes, after awhile. In giving thanks for the tears of restoration, my japa was for world peace and offers to the striken people of the recent storms to both the Philipines and now the people of Vietnam. Full circle. Perhaps you could find restoration this similar way? I hope so, and I shall include you in my japa. Full circle with karma in mind!
Secrets of the Earth - Questions and Answers on the Line of Ten Avatars of Vedic Tradition by Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet discusses Sri Aurobindo as the 9th Avatar of Vishnu.
As per my knowledge .....
I know that eigth avatar is Krishna and ninth avatar is lord Balaji...
Buddha however is classified under saints and gurus and not as the avatar of Lord Vishnu..
Hello Guys
You guys trust or not the people in the middle east they start to believe it like that i have heard a news from my friend.
what means God=trust first you must have some belief on anything then only you will believe that there is God.
Actually i heard these message from a Muslim. After he hear about this message and start to collect the details.
Actually anyone who has the doubts for them only i am asking how you are seeing oblects and how you are tasting and how you are entertaining yourself. First you answer for these questions then i tell you where is the God and i will surely prove you.
Have you ever heard about Mayan Calender, if you have the answer Yes please see it or go to google and search for it.
Be happy that we are in the end of a Yuga. If we face any destruction on us, be happy the next Yuga will be the purest one(Because we ill not be alive)
That is not too far so be good atleast for the days maybe some few years to go which can be counted in a single hand.
Be Good.Be Good.Be Good.
Hello Guys
A small information
Kalki means an Iron or Machine
We are in Iron Age.
I felt some qiuncidence so surely we are going to see him
This post is a classic example of what Atheists call as cherry picking. Where in the evolution theory, do we have a creature that's half human and half lion? And the story varaha avatara is most ridiculous where's the Varaha standing if it(HE) is carrying the earth between his tusks...? and what about the story of Vamana..? Isn't his first step on Earth itself..? How can he step again on Bali..who is already on earth..?And imagine such a huge being's feet being placed on Earth and the impact it would cause...? And in the same story why wouldn't Bali ask Vamana to keep this third feet on Jupiter, Mars or Some other planet...? I mean didn't ancient Hindus know all about Cosmos and the Universe and all those things..?? Don't tell me that all these are metaphorical because if that's right then I would say entire Hinduism is metaphorical and there is no GOD.
And by the way why should we consider only these as the Vishnu avataras..?why not venkateshwara or Mohini..? What proof do you have for all these avataras, except the backing of vedas..? I mean all those mystical stories...and no evidence of a single event..? Hinduism is no more valid than Islam or Christianity or Judaism or any other religion...come out of this God's delusion, look at the achievements made by science. Question the irrational stories told by religion and soon you'll realise that how silly the concepts of religions are. Read and watch works by great people like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Meera nanda. Stop living in the religious dogma. As a starting point, visit richarddawkins.net, join the forums and ask the many atheists present over there your questions and soon you'll realise that there is no need of God for the world to exist.
Thanks,
ravi.
@Fool...We're living in Iron Age..??Do you even know whenz the Iron age in India passed..? it was 1200-200BC and we've passed 2200 years since the iron age.
http://richarddawkins.net
http://books.google.com/books?id=h3mUi5Uan_UC&pg=PA72&sig=-t4rfk22fMzi8fty_mvLX7ndMX4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
you know what is depicted in the hindu scriptures are mere manifestations of human mind, just like other books of different religions. we all should rather think of what we are without all this scripture supported knowledge. what if somehow we don't come to know about our past historical facts( whether real or mythical), then we will find ourselves at the start of a new search of god... that is exactly what is the ultimate pureness, omnipotent reality, free form of the our existence with consonance with the nature( living and non living) ... this is what is and should be called the one and only incarnation of almighty..
this is the god, this is the lord vishnu, or christ, or allah.
We all living in a slumber of thousands of years with a curtain of distorted facts before our eyes and we take it for real.
The need is to wake up and see the sun rising in the sky ... that's where our future is....
anupam
Hi All,
I decided to post again here though I also posted on "When was Lord Ram born" because I was feeling a bit bored & actually because I love you guys, no matter what u send my way. :-) ha ha! Its ok, its alright, its all fine too! The maha mantra of life. Learn it & u will live happily ever after i.e. if u get to live after that... deep stuff!
I like rationalists & they r the most beautiful people on earth e.g. Ravi & Anupam above & also Illam who is a higher one.
Ravi is right - Ten Incarnations & Darwin's Theory match is post-facto analysis & cobbling things together, there may be no relation whatsoever (& there may be, who knows? not me. but only me. perhaps & perhaps not - forever & never always! - another bit of my nonsensical sense but also the “complete” truth!)
Anupam is more right - yes, u must look at self-realization without any preconceived constructs or notions, unbound. But it goes a whole circle, u must know what exists, explore possibilities, accept some or all, reject some or all & in the end u will know that it is all the same & it is all a lie, including urself, & hence it is the only truth for it is all the truth & the lie & the truth & the lie at the same time like the zero & the one that coexist because if there is zero there is one, its negation, & if there is one, it is the only zero as well.
Ravi - u have no proof for the myths in all religions except possibly regarding the existence of the two most recent ones - Buddha (father) & Jesus (the son). However u have no proof of them coz u never saw them & similarly u have no proof that Gandhi existed & hence no proof that u were born, because past is only an illusion & the moment is the only truth & not, & is, & not, & is & so on. However, i m not asking u to embrace the "myths" as "truths" because I just gave u a weird logic trying to prove to the world that i m deeper than the deepest shit & i can talk even deeper than that & in fact I m infinity & of course the zero & the only one. I want u to explore the rationalist within u & tell u if u have no proof of the veracity of the "myths", u have no proof of the falsehood of the "myths". At the highest level, u have no proof about anything, but not even going to that level, since u have no proof of it being fact or fiction, u shd neither believe nor debunk it till u get proof beyond doubt either way. Thats how I was before enlightenment (if it helps u), a rationalist & a believer because a rationalist believes & a believer rationalizes. The moment u tend to disbelieve without adequate proof against something, u tend to cease being a rationalist. Hypotheses r not rejected till contrary proof beyond doubt is obtained though they may not be accepted in the meantime (however, they r in the “science” of which u r a fan, which of course is not science). Also u can ask me questions that Richard Dawkins cannot answer, so can Richard & his followers. I bet u my life, the world put together, including Richard (who???) cannot prove me wrong & a single question from my side will leave them stone cold – dead as a duck! I promise! God promise! Amen!!! ;-) Lets see the rationalist in u. Its an open challenge! U want to take it to begin with? Coz u r better than a 100 Richards put together, trust me! I know, coz I created u both, & thats a compliment! :-) (what a simple task – to prove through rationale that a bozo is not God… let alone prove/disprove the existence of God!) ;-) ha ha! I would take that any day!)
Illam - be good, u r already good & so is everybody, dont worry, judgment day will be a cakewalk! ;-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One, Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New & Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/
Hello everyone,
I feel happy to find people with different thoughts and preferences expressing their views.
But one thing in Srimadbhagavatha Mahapurana is that the 9th avatara of Srimannarayana is Buddhavatara. 8th is Sri Krishnavatara. The ninth and tenth canto explain it very beautifully. If anyone wants some quotes from the purana I mentioned, do not hesitate to ask me.
And about believing or not believing in the existence of Divinity, its everybody`s personal views, until you do not want to be a dictator and force everyone into atheism that is! Thank you!
@kalki...the answer you've given is the typical theist response. It can be posted as a reply to any of the posts by either a theist or an atheist. Why don't you answer the questions specifically?
I'll show you an example on how to post answers specifically to the questions asked:
u have no proof for the myths in all religions except possibly regarding the existence of the two most recent ones - Buddha (father) & Jesus (the son).
Exactly, which is why all religions are incorrect and there is no such thing as GOD(of any religion). all religions are myths formed by human beings-some out of selfishness and others out of Outroism.
similarly u have no proof that Gandhi existed & hence no proof that u were born
Wrong. There is more than enough proof that Gandhi existed. If you think that Gandhi doesn't exist just because i was not born at the same period as his, then there is no point in saying anything to you as you must be the most deluded person whom, his own GOD(who doesn't exist) cannot change.
in fact I m infinity & of course the zero & the only one
does this even mean anything at all?? Now you started sounding like a hindu fanatic.
I want u to explore the rationalist within u & tell u if u have no proof of the veracity of the "myths", u have no proof of the falsehood of the "myths"
Yes, the lack of simple logic which i've posted in my earlier post proves that these myths are nothing more true than Greek myths of Zeus and other Mt.Olympus gods. These are truly amazing stories, i've to agree albeit they're nothing but stories. Only innocent children who can't make their own decisions will believe in these things.
At the highest level, u have no proof about anything, but not even going to that level, since u have no proof of it being fact or fiction, u shd neither believe nor debunk it till u get proof beyond doubt either way.
More theist BS, which doesn't make any sense at all. Why don't you say something concrete?
Thats how I was before enlightenment (if it helps u), a rationalist & a believer because a rationalist believes & a believer rationalizes.
So what do you believe..?? do you believe in a Bramha who create EVERY person and thing in this world?? You know how small Earth is when compared to the entire universe..??Don't you think it's too stupid of GOD to create such a vast universe for such a tiny negligible human being...if GOD is really that stupid then I don't need to pray and respect him even if he himself shows upon to me.
What else do yo u believe in..??
that there is a Vishnu who lives in Milky Ocean sleeping on a Cobra with 5 heads with his wife at his feet?? Or, do you believe in a Shiva who lives in cemetry doing erotic dance??
however, they r in the “science” of which u r a fan, which of course is not science
So Science is not Science..?? The science which provided you with Internet, electricity, the keyboard which you are using,the science which decoded DNA is not Science and not truth..?? But the Religion which produced fanatics, which produced Racism, Sexism, Cast, hatred...that's the true Science..?? Tell me one Good thing that Religion has provided??
). Also u can ask me questions that Richard Dawkins cannot answer, so can Richard & his followers.
Well, why don't you start answering the questions which i've asked in my first reply to this post??
Coz u r better than a 100 Richards put together, trust me!
No, I'm not. Not atleast in the field in which he's an expert.
to prove through rationale that a bozo is not God
I don't worship Dawkins. I don't pray to him all I do is respect him for the knowledge he is providing unlike the religion which try to keep people in dark as much as possible.
Illam - be good, u r already good & so is everybody, dont worry, judgment day will be a cakewalk!
What a load of BS.
@Shoyonika
until you do not want to be a dictator and force everyone into atheism that is
really, because the most sacred(:head bang:) thing for an atheist is freedom of speech which is in quite contrary with dictator ship. You must've posted this because you think that dictators like Lenin, Stalin are atheists.. but the fact is that they're never atheists they oppressed the religion only because they believe in only one thing Ultimate power with no freedom to anyone. Make no mistake, but atheism and dictatorship are two completely different things.
Ravi,
I appreciate your passion. A passionate man achieve salvation sooner, however on the way he must discard his passions. Before you ask again who I am to say this & by what authority, what I think of God - Brahma - Vishnu - Shiva etc. etc. do some due diligence and read my posts from above starting June 1, 2009 & check out my blog-site for a small intro. I am the one who sleeps on the milky ocean on top of the belly of the huge snake with Lakshmi on my feet. If u adopt this practice of due diligence, being the rationalist that u r, u will avoid wastage of time, space & much air.
Also, about the science which is no science & the no science which is science, grab an 11th Std CBSE textbook & u will know the definition of "true science" which does not exist which is do not accept as true for which you do not have adequate proof and do not reject as lie for which you have no adequate proof that its a lie. So son, the best place is always to be in the middle, unless of course you see the apple falling. Go and read my posts on "When was Lord Ram Born" thread starting 18 Aug, read 2nd post first & first post second.
Once you acquaint urself with who I am, come back all armored with questions and shoot them one by one - this is going to be a long one coz u dont believe in short discourses. Things need to be explained to u elaborately with the hope that u will still understand.
And trust me son, BS for one is truth for another and truth for another is BS for one but u must know that there is no truth, so it must be all BS, but since it is all BS then BS must be the truth for the truth is all BS. I dont expect u to understand. I just couldnt resist myself.
Look fwd to """lengthhhhhyyyy" discourses with u. Till then, son, have fun! ;-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New & Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/
"The seventh incarnation of Lord Vishnu.....developed more superior weapons like the bow"
So why do both the 4th and 6th incarnations clearly depict not just a bow, but a recurve bow?
First off, stop calling Son...that's so...idiotic way addressing others.
You asked me to provide evidence that God is not present. I will, definitely...but in mean time can you provide some evidence for this:
Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Beliefs of FSM followers:
With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents—mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.
Or provide me the evidence for the non existence of Russell's teapot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
I think you got the idea by now.
You can't prove the non-existence or non existing things.
First off, stop using words like "idiotic" and abusing people on this forum. Just coz people dont agree with you doesn’t mean u have the right to thrust it down their throat!!! Thats what Shoyonika meant - not Lenin or Stalin. U r so off the mark n r too busy in ur story world to understand what people r saying, let alone God!!!
Why do u want me to provide evidence to u to prove bullshit like that exists when it doesnt? Is there a Ramayan on the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Is there a Mahabharat on the Russell's teapot? Did these monsters and teapots put together offer "THE BEST PHILOSOPHY" THAT EXISTS AND EVER EXISTED IN THE WORLD??? DOES UR RICHARD DAWKIN OR UR ENTIRE ATHEIST COMMUNITY HAVE ANYTHING TO THEIR CREDIT OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE EXCEPT CALLING OTHER SANE PEOPLE NAMES AND CALLING THEMSELVES GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND OR THE TEAPOT'S OR SPAGHETTI MONSTER'S GIFT TO MANKIND???
Are you living in a make-belief world??? Are you crazy or nuts??? Have you ever considered visiting a shrink and getting this teapot and spaghetti monster business out of your mind forever? I recommend you must!!!
NOW I WILL PROVE THAT U R NOT A RATIONALIST - OH MY GOD - I HOPE I DIDN'T INSULT U, DID I?
1. READ MY POSTS ABOVE - I SAID "IF U CANT PROVE, U CAN NEITHER DISPROVE AND TILL U CAN DO EITHER & COZ U CANT DO NEITHER FOR THE TIME BEING, STAY IN THE MIDDLE - CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IF U WANT TO, CHOOSE NOT TO IF U DONT WANT TO, BEST IS TO BELIEVE WITH A PINCH OF SALT BUT DONT THRUST THINGS DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS COZ U R AS CLUELESS AS THEY R, AND IN FACT, AS I POINTED ABOVE TO U, THEY HAVE MORE CLUES, EACH PERSON, THAN UR ENTIRE SOCIETY PUT TOGETHER!!!
WAS THAT NOT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM MY EARLIER POSTS? WHY DO U WANT TO COME BACK TO ME AGAIN AND AGAIN ASKING FOR PROOFS WHEN I SAID THERE IS NO PROOF FOR NOW... BUT TOMORROW THERE WILL BE... HOWEVER, TOMORROW IS ANOTHER STORY! SO LISTEN TO THIS RIGHT THIS TIME AND STOP OUTCASTING URSELF FROM UR RATIONALIST SOCIETY BY BEING IRRATIONAL, WHICH BTW IS ANYWAYS AN IRRATIONALIST SOCIETY.
2. THERE R FACTS ABOUT INDIAN CIVILIZATION THAT EVEN SCIENTISTS CANNOT REFUTE. SANSKRIT IS EVEN NOW, BY SCIENTISTS & LINGUISTS, CONSIDERED TO BE THE MOST ADVANCED AND MOST SCIENTIFIC LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS OR EVER EXISTED AND NO LANGUAGE CREATED NOW BY ALL UR SCIENTISTS PUT TOGETHER CAN BEAT IT (U ATHEISTS WANT TO TRY??? U R NOT SCIENTISTS ANYWAYS & UR CONTRIBUTION TO SOCIETY IS ZERO EXCEPT BULLSHIT LIKE TEACUPS N SPAGHETTI MONSTERS IN THE AIR!!!) THAT MY BOY, THAT... SANSKRIT IS CALLED PERFECTION. PERFECTION IS UNDEFEATABLE AND PERFECTION IS ALL SUPREME AND PERFECTION STANDS THE TEST OF TIME AND PERFECTION IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE!!! PERFECTION, WHICH BTW, DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS RELATIVE WORLD!!! SO WHO CREATED SANSKRIT (ONE OF MANY MANY MANY EXAMPLES IN HINDUISM & INDIAN HISTORY)? GOD? IF NOT, LET’S JUST SAY, THEN THOSE WHO WERE FAR FAR FAR ADVANCED THAN ALL PEOPLE WHO EXIST TODAY PUT TOGETHER, RIGHT? THATS MORE THAN 6 BILLION PUT TOGETHER, INCLUDING UR SCIENTISTS, NO-GOOD ZERO-CONTRIBUTION ATHEISTS, ALL BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS AND EVERYONE ROLLED INTO ONE, UTTERLY DEFEATED, HELPLESSLY DEFEATED, PROVED TO BE NO-GOOD NINCOMPOOPS!!! NOW IF EVEN ONE OF THOSE SUPERIOR OR SUPREME BEINGS SAID "THERE IS GOD" AND THE WHOLE STUPID WORLD, INCLUDING U N UR BRAND, SAID "THERE IS NO GOD" - WHOM WOULD U AGREE WITH MORE? HIM/THEM OR ALL THE STUPID "IDIOTS" OF TODAY INCLUDING THE BELIEVERS AND THE NON-BELIEVERS???
NOW, IF U R A TRUE "RATIONALIST", THEN RATIONALISE THIS AND GIVE ME THE "RIGHT" ANSWER. NO NEED. ITS EVIDENT IF U SHUT UR NO-GOOD TRAP!!!
(CONTD. AS 2/2 IN BELOW POST…)
LOVE OF GOD AND GOD OF LOVE,
THE ONLY ONE,
KRISHNA
(KALYUG KA KISHEN - KALKI, THE 10TH INCARNATION OF GOD - LORD VISHNU, THE NEW AND FINAL BUDDHA - ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/
(CONTD. AS 2/2 FROM ABOVE POST…)
OTHER FACTS R WORKS LIKE THE RAMAYAN, MAHABHARAT, BHAGWAD GEETA ETC. (MANY OTHERS, THERE IS NO COUNT!) R UNPARALLALED WORKS OF LITERATURE AND PHILOSOPHY THAT ALL LITERARY AND PHILOSOPHICAL WORK DONE SINCE THEN (MILLIONS OF YEARS TILL NOW) CANNOT COMPARE WITH - CANNOT STAND BY ITS SIDE. A VERY WELL KNOWN AND ACCEPTED FACT.
SCIENCE OF ANCIENT TIMES IN INDIA WAS MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE ADVANCED THAN TODAY'S, HOWEVER, UNFORTUNATELY, AS THEY SAY, LOST DURING MAHABHARAT AND BECAUSE OF THE VAGARIES OF TIME, NOT TO MENTION THE RISE OF SINS AND THE DECLINE OF DHARMA - CONCEPTS ANYWAYS U DONT BELIEVE IN, SO FORGET IT! INDIA GAVE ZERO TO THE WORLD WHEN THEY DIDNT KNOW HOW TO COUNT. THE CONCEPT OF PLANETS, SOLAR SYSTEM (MANY OTHER SCIENTIFIC TRUTHS!) HAS BEEN WITH US FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL - RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, THERE IS NO TIME RECORDED IN SCRIPTURES WHEN THIS DID NOT EXIST, UNLIKE THE “QUITE RECENT” “WORLD IS FLAT" PHENOMENON IN SCIENTIFIC CIRCLES!
THERE R SO MANY DEEP SCIENTIFIC TRUTHS (MANY YET UNRAVELLED!) HIDDEN IN THE ANCIENT HINDU SCRIPTURES THAT GERMANS (DURING THE TIME OF MAX MUELLER) TRANSLATED ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES AND MIRACULOUSLY MADE MANY DISCOVERIES OUT OF THE BLUE. HOW DID THEY FIND DEEP TRUTHS OUT SO SOON? SAY THEY DIDNT DO SO WITH THE HELP OF THE SCRIPTURES, WHY DID THEY CONSIDER THE SCRIPTURES WORTHY OF TRANSLATION AND SCIENTIFIC STUDY???
U HAVE READ MY POSTS (AUG 24) ON "WHEN WAS LORD RAM BORN" THREAD ON THIS SITE. THE EMERGENCE OF SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE PYRAMIDS IN 2,500 BC IN EGYPT (ACCURATE TO THE EXTENT OF FRACTIONS OF DEGREES!!!) REQUIRED THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF EVOLUTION FOR WHICH ARCHAELOGISTS HAVE NO RECORDS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THEM SO MANY YEARS BACK MAN WAS BUT AN ANIMAL.
THERE R TOO MANY THINGS THAT "POINT" TOWARDS THE "TRUTH", TOWARDS "GOD" THAT CANNOT BE REFUTED. THE WORLD IS NOT A FOOL. HA HA HA! SURPRISE!!! BUT I WONDER WHY U CHOOSE TO IGNORE ALL THIS AND BELIEVE IN STUPID LOGIC LIKE TEACUPS AND SPAGHETTI MONSTERS??? IF I SAY TODAY THAT THAT U R MY SON, HOWEVER I HAD POWERS THAT I CD USE ONLY ONCE BY WHICH I ALTERED UR DNA TO MATCH UR DAD'S, PLEASE DISPROVE IT. WHAT WD U SAY??? BULLSHIT!!! RIGHT?
STOP TAKING FLIGHTS OF FANCY AND GET DOWN TO THE REAL WORLD. BELIEVE IF U WANT TO AND DONT IF U DONT BUT DONT STATE CATEGORICALLY, AS IF U R GOD, THAT U KNOW THE TRUTH, EVEN THOUGH U HAVE NO PROOF!!! COZ IF U DO, U URSELF R COMMITTING THE TEA-CUP AND SPAGHETTI MONSTER BLUNDER!!! WONDER HOW ATHEISTS WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO CREATE A TRAP TO FALL IN IT THEMSELVES!
LOVE OF GOD AND GOD OF LOVE,
THE ONLY ONE,
KRISHNA
(KALYUG KA KISHEN - KALKI, THE 10TH INCARNATION OF GOD - LORD VISHNU, THE NEW AND FINAL BUDDHA - ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/
2 avataras can co-exist, there has been an instance in Ramayana where Rama meets Parashurama.
8th avatara is definately not Balarama, and the nighth is Buddha
Yes Bharadwaja... and,
Parashuram (6th incarnation, prior to Lord Ram) is still around like the other Chiranjeevis (immortals) such as:
2. Hanuman (Lord Rama's beloved devotee & most powerful god himself)
3. Ashwatthama (of Mahabharat war fame)
4. King Bali (of Vaaman Avatar fame, not Baali)
5. Sage Ved Vyaas (author of the epic Mahabharat)
6. Kripacharya (Weapons & warfare teacher of Mahabharat fame)
7. Vibhishan (Ravana's brother crowned King of Lanka by Lord Ram after Ravan)
8. Jaambavantha (wise bear & general of Lord Ram's monkey army)
9. Sage Markandeya (Lord Shiva devotee protected from Death by Lord Shiva himself, thus attaining immortality)
They are all alive only till the end of time or Apocalypse, after which everything comes back into me and turns into God or Nothing. After which, a new creation, but before that lies infinity.
Now, the so-called “rationalists” & non-believers, please no attacks on me!!! Ha ha ha! U got a big task on ur hands already with my post earlier to this, trying to entangle yourself out of ur tea-cups & spaghetti monsters. No wonder God had to come Himself to free u from the monsters of ur life. Just thought, after so much philosophy & logic, I will give u some really esoteric stuff to chew on & digest (full digestion guaranteed, but only over a life-time, despite this being the most difficult stuff to chew on & digest in the history of the Universe!!! :-)). Stuff that made itself a part of ur fantasies, stuff that u heard from ur parents & ur grand-parents as highly interesting stories as a kid (at least I did a lot & I am infinitely grateful to my teachers - my parents, grand-parents esp., who brought me up this way – please no psychoanalysis, u psychological rationalists out there, please!!! ;-) I know more psychology than all of u put together & one post should suffice for u like it did for the so-called "rationlists". ha ha ha!)
So, aren't u all super-excited (I would be if I was in ur shoes) that all that u wanted to so much believe in, but never knew if it was true, is coming out to be true in front of ur very own eyes in this birth itself? Do u want to meet any one of the above immortals in ur lifetime & hear from them the first hand accounts of their lives? Infinitely interesting, isn't it?
Well, Parashuram (5th incarnation) himself couldn't recognise Ram (Lord Vishnu in human form) had it not been for a bow that Shiva had given to him for that very purpose (not the one that Ram broke, another that Parashuram used to carry with him always) - as they say in Hindi: "Naa jaane kis bhesh mein Naaraayan mil jaaye" - U dont know in what form u may meet up with Lord Vishnu - so keep ur eyes peeled & drop ur defenses & most of all, learn to see God in everything & everyone around you, coz only then will u be able to recognise me. Neither can the immortals recognise me on seeing me or hearing me till I make them realise who I am when the time is right. i.e. Even they dont know I am already here, though they have been expecting me since a long long time. But of course, I know they are here & I will meet them when I have dissolved their sins & the sins of the Universe to a particular degree inside me.
Who of u out there would like to meet them - & if so, whom out of them first & why? Do tell if like, it should be interesting. If u think this is a fantasy not the truth, then what's the harm in a fantastic discussion any ways? What do u think? Sounds alright?
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New & Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
http://lord-kalki.blogspot.com/
(My own blog-site, still to invite the world to it, only a preview for you)
http://www.hindu-blog.com/2007/06/ten-incarnations-of-lord-vishnu-in.html
(Posts starting 10Jun09)
http://www.hindu-blog.com/2007/09/book-on-when-was-lord-ram-born.html
(Posts starting 18Aug09)
Errata for above post:
Parashuram, 6th incarnation (not 5th as stated in one place)
and..
http://www.hindu-blog.com/2007/06/ten-incarnations-of-lord-vishnu-in.html
(Posts starting 01Jun09 - not 10Jun09 as stated above)
silly typos... :-)
As most of said Dharmaraju was not a incarnation LORD VISHNU bcz in DVAPAR YUGA dharmaraj & krishna are brothers then how they would be same incarnatons . You totally
fogot the LORD VENKATESWARASWAMI.
Almost all south indians are in belife that HE IS THE 9 th incarnation of vishnu .Any way this an excelllent site with some small mistakes .Youy may contact on
LOKANAYAKUDUSAGAR555@YAHOO.COM
to now properly that mistakes.
very very very interesting..
didn't like the ranting about the whole issue though
now what surprises me is that no one seems to have noticed the distinct similarity between the bible(noah's ark) and the pious man and the mahapralayam
i dont know much about quran so cant comment about that
i absolutely agree with the author that there is no denying in the fact that indus valley civilisation was very advanced for its age and obviously got lost in time.
and when did Balarama became an avatar of Maha Vishnu when he is the incarnation of Anantha Shesha, and ironically when did KRSNA became the 9th avatar?
Dear Friends,
Our people are competent enough to make Balaram as Vishunu Avatar and after sometime they make Lakshman also Vishnu avatar like double action movies without any justification.Someone in Chittur of Andhra claims that he is Kalki and our people offer puja to them without even knowing the meaning of Kalki.as per our epics Kalki is the distruction form which comes at the end of yuga.but people started saying that they are kalki. May be they want to kill people or what? I pity the people who talk baseless.
Have great time by the blessings of Lord Vishnu.
:facepal: @ all the people arguing over the incarnations...
ive read most of the comments on this and there seems to be a bit of contreversy about the 8th and 9th avatar whether its Buddha or Balarama well from my knowledge from the vedas Balarama is the immediate expansion of Krishna and that even Vishnu himself is an expansion of Krishna all incarnations are portions or parts of portions of Shri Krishna.another thing that i dont get is that if Nrshinvadeva is meant to be the start of animals to humans then how come there were kings and kingdoms already on the planet when he came to save prahlahda.i also hear that kalki will be the 22nd avatar dont forget Lord Chaitanyas appearance 500 years ago and also Vasudeva who put in writen form the Bhagavatam and so on
Going by the progression, in the Avataars,
1. Matsya - Fish - living in water. It is believed that water was first formed in the creation of earth.
2. Kurma - Tortoise - living in both water and land. Lateron water became firmament to land.
3. Varaaha - Boar - living on land alone and wild.
4. Nara-simha - Half Lion + Half Man - transformed from Wild Lion who became the king of the animals to Man - Rather it could be a wild-man so to say!!
5. Vaamana - Short-man. Evolution had its first Simple form of Human and he was Sattvic and Brahmin - intelligent, knowledgeable, soft, non-aggressive, simple thoughts and actions with hatred for none etc.
6. Parashu-raama. - Brahmin Turned Kshatriya - fierceful - has an Axe on hand and is instead of using for cutting wood, was used for cutting heads.
7. Sri Rama - The Perfect King. - Compassionate Ruler - Pure Kshatriya with virtues and strong conviction as well as powerful.
8. Sri Krishna - Superman - Kshatriya turned Vysya - Born to Kshatriya but brought up as a milk-man - cowherd - Vysya - Merchant class. However, very intelligent and powerful.
9. Who could be this ? Definitely a pure Vysya.
10. Who could be this ? A mix of Vysya and Shudra.
11. Who could be this ? Pure Shudra.
12. Who could be this ? A Mlecha and that would be the end. He will kill all and prepare for the next Manvantara by complete annihilation. And that is known as Kalki.
The dasavatars as interpreted today are an interesting allegory, but saying that they are in tune with evolution theory is taking it too far.
The thing that stands out most is that tortoises and boars are not in the ancestral line of humans. Nor is there any evidence of a human/lion hybrid. Apes, our immediate ancestors are completely ignored. Plants too don't feature anywhere. The other missing part in the allegory are the single celled organisms. For over 3 billion years they were the only life forms on Earth. Multicellular organisms appeared very recently on Earth's timescale.
The semblance of dasavatars to evolution is most likely just a coincidence. Even if it represents evolution, it is an extremely crude approximation.
nice comment Satish. It's so happy to see at least somebody refuting the concept. People are so blind in believing anything and everything that's linked to religion and God. It's so pathetic.
Dear Friends,I agree with the latest analysis of Dasavatars and the dasavatars show the maturity and evolution of man. If you all guys remember the story of Shaap by a maharshi to the king who was the disciple of MahaVishnu.As a result of the Shaap and as the king was completely in concentration towards MahaVishnu, Vishnu took that shaap and told that he will take those all Avatars and will destroy the demons and bad to keep dharma on this earth. As poited out with latest analysis, Please treat God as the trust on humanity rather than simply commenting on God. Can anyone tell me who can see the X-rays. Even foreigners are believing that there is soul and God and our people started saying no to that.Thats is the reall pathetic situation we are in Mr.Satish. For all your information, the research was also conducted to really know whether there is any soul and the people were able to find it.So dont feel that everything can be seen with our eyes.Somethings can only be felt.I can feel the God in my mother,Father and everywhere as we treat God as Sarvantaryami. God is Truth and Truth is God.
Which Avatar are you !!! - that is what matters in daily life
For heavens sake don't quibble about Balram and Buddha - just shows what really starts a War and therefore Kaliyug
You will see Mr Kalki then in a fleeting moment of death OK
Tapas
Hi All,
For Every Thousand years or so Lord vishnu takes avatar. So everytime a powerful saint is born that saint is automatically linked to the birth of mahaVishnu . So the 9th and 10th avatar could be any great and powerful Spiritual leaders like Buddha , Jesus or Adi shankaracharya .....distruction wrt Kalki means distruction of Sins of people and need not neccesarly mean physical distruction.
Is jesus a avatar of lord vishnu....as a hindu i will be very happy if jesus, who has powers to remove evil spirits from a person be declared as a avatar of Lord Vishnu. Krishna Died because of mistake of mankind , when a arrow was shot at Krishnas leg by mistake. And Jesus himself has told god to forgive the mistakes of human beings for Crucification.
@Anonymous
Why should I care if foreigners believe in souls or not? Many of them also believe that the world is only 6000 years old and that evolution never happened. Also, can you point me to the research which proves the existence of souls?
And from where did you get the idea that I believe only what I see with my eyes? The human senses are extremely limited.
The Universe sings in frequencies from gamma to radio waves and yet humans can see only a tiny part of it (light). We can't hear sound frequencies above 20 KHz. Our skin can't feel microbes. We can't detect magnetic or electric fields and the list goes on. There are millions of species on Earth itself which have some senses better than us.
So, no. I don't trust my senses to tell me the truth.
If you can feel God, fine. But that doesn't make dasavatars equivalent to theory of evolution. As I said earlier dasavatars miss a lot of information.
The most easy way to refute this entire theory is to point out the fact that each of these myths involves humans along with that God creature avatar. Which imply that humans exist from the beginning and this is not true. Humans came into existence only recently. The major portion of earth's age is filled with nothing.
I'm sure that people will one day realize that all these myths are just some fantasy stories just like the Greek, Roman and Egyptian Gods and myths.
One thing is for sure, as long as we've people in India who squabble over whether or not Buddha or Balarama is an avatar or not we, Indians will remain to live in this stone age of a country.
Rite on Ravi The Cosmic presence precedes us as Nothing.Avatars in any form is ridiculous caricature of that form as per peoples imagination.GOD has painted a Story for us and we paint one of our own amusingly
If we all do Tapasya and sacrifice for others we will be much better off in HIS image than quibbling about Avatars
Too much talk of God and how Hindu sages knew everything.
You guys should know that Hinduism or what ever the organized religion and belief system is, did not exist if you look back in History till humans migrated to the Indian land about 12,000 years.
All of you need a study in evolutionary biology, molecular genetics, fossils, geology, cosmology to really understand process of evolution. We, the people on earth, are just an accident. If there is God, why would he/she/it pick this small blue dot of a planet to habitate with humans who are destroying everything else he/she/it created. Is this some drama going on.
Also, do you think our sages were so smart 6000 years back that they knew everything about genetics, DNA, fossils, migration of marine life to land etc etc without stepping away from the shores of this land.
Too much rubbish is being projected in terms of hindu philosphy. Modern science is what it is. There are no facts about historical Indian science. so blaming it's destruction is a convenient way to bring an unknown as a sure fact that was.
Hinduism got created in this subcontinent. There have been religions in the past and present.
There have been about 400-500 generations of people who have lived in this land since the first migration from central asia 12000 years back.
Now don't tell me that 500 generations cannot make up things or distort things they inherited.
Were they all enlightned or did they pass it all in perfect knowledge to next generation. Did the knowledge get enhanced with time.
There are no historical facts just anecdotes..
This set of stories tells one that different beings and entities have qualities and properties that encourage their respect. They are capable of deeds and give guidance that one cannot exhibit. There is more to the known ecosystems on a planet.
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