Sandeep’s blog on Hindu Holocaust is true. No community has been slaughtered like this in history. But let us not rub salt in old wounds.
The number of Hindus wiped out by Muslim invaders is equivalent to the population of several smaller countries in
Gandhiji says:
If I were asked to define the Hindu creed, I should simply say: search the Truth through non-violent means. A man many not believe in God and still call himself a Hindu. Hinduism is a relentless pursuit after truth.(Hindu Dharma, Orient Paperbacks, Published 1991, page 18 and 19.)
We cannot go back into history and correct all the wrong deeds. Similarly, we cannot blame the present day Muslim brothers for the wrong doing of their forefathers.
It must also be noted here that after independence Muslims have never attacked Hinduism and its beliefs and teachings. (I am not talking about riots created for political and personal needs.) But Christian missionaries have been attacking Hinduism and its teachings and at times have even made mockery of Hindu gods. Muslims have never done this. (This is not by ignoring the contribution of Christian missionaries in the certain fields.)
Then there are a few pseudo-secularists who always want to see the two communities fighting. So that they can start their speeches and articles on fundamentalism. Let us not fall prey to them also.
Instead of delving into history, we should look forward. Hindu community has numerous problems. First and foremost is the existence of the evil caste system. We should be working towards the total mitigation of this evil system. Poverty is rampant in Hindu society. We should be working towards the overall improvement of the Hindu community.
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Hello Abhi,
You show remarkable wisdom and I respect you for that. However I completely disagree taht we must 'forget' about the Hindu Holocaust. Yes we must not whine about it. But we must remmember it as those who forget history are only condemned to repeat it. The following link will show you the true color of Islam which is unlikely to change. The genocide is not history. It is going on right now.
http://www.mukto-mona.com/human_rights/ethnic_clensing_Bangladesh.html
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/hindu_bangla.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3561184.stm
The Jews did a good job of telling the world about their gencide . thus Christians will not even think of another gencoide. Infact holocaust denial is a crime in the predominantly Christian world. true that victim mentality doesnt suit our great Hindu ethos which has given us sons like Shivaji and Ambedkar. But as krishna says, we must do our duty to inform the world and be on a vigil. Thus I do believe we must spread the word about hindu Holocaust. Jai Bharat
We must NEVER forget the holocaust. We must NEVER ignore our history. We must NEVER cease to honor the memory of all those slaughtered simply for being Hindus.
That is NOT the same as blaming present-day Muslims for the Holocaust of the past. That is ridiculous. I do not blame modern Muslims for their ancestor's sins. Besides, many modern day Muslims have other crimes to be blamed for.
Those who ignore or forget their history, as George Santayana once said, are doomed to REPEAT it.
The greatness of Hinduism is is ability to assimlilate different types of beleifs and reinvent itself continuously…..
But if there is one thing lacking, it is a comprehensive encyclopaedia of Indian
philosophy and teachings…. it would serve as some sort of a practitioners
guide to the best of Indian philopophy… the best of the Upanishads / Bhagavad gita/
local traditions (even Budhist / Jain teachings/ Thirukural)and even Sufism and Dinilahi etc etc … Why doesn’t someone take this up as a project ?
So that we have a complete guide to what is best in Hinduism? I personally think this
is a must ..Any comments ?
Sujay Rao Mandavilli
Yes, Sujay Rao, there is an immediate need to bring together the various texts and develop a complete guide to Hinduism.
Sujay,
Check out Dr. Sarvepalli Radhrakrishnan's books on Indian Philosophy. He covered most of the stuff you've mentioned and more. I highly recommend his books for anybody interested in hindu philosophy.
Rgds,
Aravind.
Yes. Many in India do not know about these. History is being repeated in occassional bombings in bombay and when Kashmiris Hindus are driven out of their homeland. If we are not aware of our history and keep vigil history will be repeated again.
Ok frust of all I find it untrue that present day muslims do not attack Hindus.
The prime example of this is Zakir Naik, who is covertly spreading hate against hindus.
have you heard some of the ides he propogates though his lectures??.... They are mostly available on YouTube.
He disparages the Hindu religion and spreads a very intolerant view about it albeit all very covertly as he is too smart of openly attack Hindus.
I think Hatemongers like Dr. Zakir naik should be kept in control.
I really appreciate a site as such exists and am a new brother to the hindu blog. Gandhijis words about hinduism moved me.
I think as a religion built on peace and philosophy, we should stick to that and make mor peolpe aware of our religion. I live in the UK and am shocked to see the british people know all about muslim festivals but nothing about our religion or our festivals, its how second genration muslim children are brought up with their religion while most hindu kids are not. I only wish these children realised what a great tolerant religion we belong to.
hi every one !! i agree with all of u about these things we all need to do !! the question is how??? . First of all we need to stop STUPID hindus , i have seen many of them speaking against the spiritual gurus!! and also the christian missionaries who are atrategicall wiping out our culture and tradition!!! first kick and dump , so called secular ppl in our country who still say christians and muslims are still minorities they are slowly spreading like gangrin and eating our culture!! and there are so called athiests who think they are U.G 's etc. etc and speaking harshly to all our spiritual gurus!! first kick them!! and according to hindu culture around thirty percent of ur salary should be used for service!! so plz do serve the downtrodden hindus especially!! that how conversion can be stopped!! and make ur children be aware of our rich and scientific tradition!! and we need TO STOP fighting between ourselves and come as one against these deadly disease!! STOP THESE POLITICIANS FROM RULING US IN THE NAME OF CASTE and divide us furthur more!! make a small contribution by injecting faith in our culture !! one way is to help ppl and doing service for them!! we all have to stand for this since our country is having more below poverty line hindus who will definitely convert for the sake of food !! so rather than talking act now and we can do it peacefully and forcefully when u can make our poor ppl trust in this OK
avinash
The pacifist sentiments are blessed souls yearnings for harmony , but in real world are misdirected for the ones towards whom they are so directed are no way at present adopting policy of peace . Theirs is stance for stealthly increasing their nos in democratic india and then come up with real agenda till then appearances . This is standard islamists strategy as taught & practised by muslims , eg see kashmir why are they talking of separate state, why only muslims since independence dont live among others ...sir they dont mix .......why.. put your thinking caps ,there exists a agenda ...ummah in hind.....waiting for another holocaust....if dont want this to happen to your children & yourself ...don't forget .. the holocaust of hindus ...Jai Bharat
Hindu Holocaust should not be forgotten. If we forget it, it'll repeat again...millons more will be killed and our religion & culture will
be destroyed.
We need to remember it, fight and secure our
religion, culture and identity. We need that Kshatriya spirit.
It is actually happening even right now. Please
see website www.fact-india.com. It talks about Hindus killed in Pakistan, Bangladesh etc.
FACT India www.fact-india.com is building a
Hindu holocaust museum in Pune. Kindly help their cause. The guy is French journalist who loves Hinduism and is working to strenghten Hinduism.
What are you all spending so much time and energy on internet with these discussions. Go do something worthwhile.
We must never forget the wrongs that have been perpetrated against us. As has been rightly said, 'those who forget history are doomed to repeat it', we should always be on the guard to prevent any further assaults on our strength. We cannot really blame the christian missionaries as they are doing what any religious missionary would. They are, at least, providing food and shelter and education to the poor and the derelict. The ultimate goal of any missionary is to convert and proselytize. We should lend more support to our own brethren and foil their efforts at conversion. The destruction of our temples and those which have already been converted into mosques cannot be undone now, as our governments are much too spineless to care anything for Hindu pride and culture. Whatever remains should be protected. Kashmir seems almost lost and if we are not vigilant, we will soon lose Arunachal Pradesh as well.
While Hindus should not blame the current generation Muslims for past Hindu massacres and subjugation, the present day Muslims have a responsibility to acknowledge the great harm their ancestors did to Hindus and the Hindu nation for a thousand years.
The present day Muslims while not accountable for centuries of past atrocities, they do have a responsibility to reach for atonement and reconciliation with the Hindus. In other words, they do have to accept the legacy of their ancestors. Why not let the Hindus build their temples in Ayodya, Mathura, Somnath, Kashi and a few other holy Hindu places destroyed by Muslims as a gesture of goodwill in order to acknowledge past atrocities against Hindus with a view to reach reconciliation?
We must forgive the Hindu holocaust because holding resentment hurts us, impedes our spiritual progress. However, we must never forget the holocaust, as there are Muslims today who would like to see it happen again.
There is a Hindu holocaust occurring right now as you read these words in Sri Lanka. 265,000 Hindus are prisoners in 42 concentration camps dying of disease and starvation. Worse than Darfur.
There are two different notions--forget and forgive or remember and yet learn to forgive.
Yes, there is spiritual harm to ourselves by holding on to grudges/hate/anger/revenge. These feelings impede our spiritual growth. History is meant to be read and understood as a refferal point . We are not supposed to take up arms and fight the current generation of Muslims perpetrating crime against Hindus in Kashmir, Bangladesh , Sri Lanka...but neither are we so stupid as to stand on the side and watch all this happen.
So, wherein lies the solution??
I guess we need to lead by example. Show them what love, respect, trust can do.
I am a displaced Kashmiri Pandit myself....and I have seen the anger/hatred against Hindus, first hand. But I don't see a solution in perpetuating this mutual hate. It has to stop somewhere!
Yes the hate has to stop. We should stop digging history and take account of who was hurt more or less. Hatred only breeds more hatred.
Hinduism is a world religion. As an Indian ex-christian who no longer believes in any god save the god of compassion, I praise your attempt to foster peace and understanding. Everyone within this sorrowful world is a Hindu.
By compartmentalizing your incredible religion you are letting yourselves be led by the largely ignorant masses.
Do not forget your high ideals and how you were once famous for your love and compassion.
Hinduism can never die, it is in every one of us who grew up in this incredible land. No other place on earth is as accepting. Please don't change. As for christian missionaries, I've always been against them myself.
You must understand that Roman Catholics in this country have never stained the ideals of your wonderful religion. These forces are from elsewhere, mostly outside the country or one of the smaller, stranger christian sects from the south. I used to be proud of being an Indian, I feel like an outcast now. Is India only for Hindus ? Can you not spare compassion for your friends of other faiths who wish you well ? Why condemn us all to this fate ? In the spiritual bastion of this world that is(was?) India, is there no place for the intellectual of other faiths who wants to help solve our nation's problems ? Much peace and love, we are all Hindus. And proud of it.
India .. The country as we know today was created based on the methodology of worship followed by the populace. This is the basic premise of our very recent history and in the wake of this creation of a country there was another holocast. How can that or preceding chapters of history be negated or consigned to the graveyard of time? History can't be just ignored in an effort to build the country or the nation. Even if a chapter is a reminder of our nationhood having been ravaged, our nation plundered or our heritage attacked mercilessly it is indeed a chapter of our our own life story. We have to read it and learn form it.
The foundation of our contemporary nation rests on the grounds of the methods of worship not on the subject of worship. So many people worshipping the Almighty in ways different from those of the majority of populace inhabiting this country have contributed to its progress than anyone else. Aren't they ours only. The inhabitants of this landmass came to be called as Hindus after a certain time period marked by invasions mainly from the present day Arab, Central and Western Asian world.
So whenever we are talking of a holocaust it is that of Indians. When Kashmiri non muslims are driven out and their living usurped or when non sikhs were
massacred sleaping at home ar travelling in buses it was an Indian holocaust though only one segment of the Indians were the targets. Hindus are all those who are living on this land mass irrespective of their ways to address and approach the Almighty. When Aurangzeb tried to weigh the sacred htrads of those who killed wearing them or when the Sikh gurus and their disciples were tortured and killed that was an attack on the roots of this nation. Though the later day Mughals were as much Indians only as were those who had been living here even much before their familial ancestors came here yet they chose not to let themselves assimilated by this nation. They perpetrated holocausts even then.
When the marks of one's family of birth came to be granted the official sanction that was also a holocaust. This holocaust continues to be perpetrated by the modern day rulers who have inherited the same mental tendencies from those who plundered this land coming from other lands. When religion was associated with a language spoken and states carved out in the country based on that, it was a holocaust again much mire severe and having much more lasting impact.
The need is to identify the Indian nation. If I call it a Hindu nation many people will jump out for my throat. The need is to identify and imbibe the spirit of all inhabitants of this land and also those originated here and went to other shores as a HIndu brotherhood irrespective of the means of worship the language spoken or the symbols used.
History of physical massacres in our past teaches us this only. Whether we continue to refuse to learn from it is another issue
if a person staying in america is called an american and if a person staying in nepal is called nepali and so forth..what would a person staying in 'hindustan'called....obviously a 'hindu' let us live lives to seek our salvation and not to divide as seen...it is a personal moksha..and not by birth!! u are what u make urself..not what you were, are, or will become...like a life worthy to GOD and please HIM ...the rest will fall in place... with sincere prayers and good will!!
hello to every one ...
i read what ever u said in above posts ..with some i agree and with some i dissagree ..the fact is that holocaust happened..it started long back ...still continuing ...resion behind this ( as far as i understood) is that new generation is not aware about hinhuism ...yes they say they are hindu..they might be following some rituals ..puja etc. but the essence is missing ..what it takes to be called as hindu is not jus being born as hindu ...any one ...no matter in what religion he or she may be born, can be a hindu ...as far as i have learned about hiduisim that it is the most flexiable religion ( if we have to pronounce it as a religion )that it absorbes all the goodness of any other belife ...that it is the most tollerent one ...that if u truly identify with hinduism ..u r a true human being ...
in my childhood i was in constant contact with christans..one of our family friend( u may say extended family) are muslims ...i learned from them ...as every child i was curious ...went to them ..read there religious book ...and guess what ...i found that its jus the name that is changed ..if they really follow there religion in the purest form ..they are nothing other than we r ..mostly in christanity what ever i have learned ws later found in hindu scripts when i was seriously wanted to know the truth ...all te relegion in there purest form ..are seeking only one answer ...what is the truth of this univers ....there is a word ATMGYAM...or ATMSAKSHATKAR in hidu mythology ..that is aclled the first step for knowing the truth , i found the mention of this repetedly in both the religion ..i personely do not perform any ritual ( at least till this phase of my life)am jus trying to find my own self ..what i am accutaly ... what is my true nature ...
i said all this becouse ...i found that the light is not there to show our young one the true path ...fotunately i have my parents and grand parents with me . they didnt told me that which way i have to go ...i was jus told to start the search by own for the path ...but they told me the rules and the motive of it ...i guess that helped ...and that is equvelenly applicable for the mulim children in my extended family ...
what we are learning in our school is not suficent for the life that i have understood ..what and where we r lacking that is understood ..but what is to be done to rectify this is still a question .... my father started with some experiment ...still in very inital satge ...i know the path is long and dark ...and have only one life ..but torchbearer can be change ...the batton can be passed to the new runnr ...i have hope that the change is destined to happen in nere future ...
I wish to say that we must need more unity and one question that always props up for me is why all hindus have different way of worshipping God and some festivals on different days and months. I have also found that hindus of different states have calenders such that for some a month e.g shravan starts by mid july and for some by mid aug. why so much of disparity found here?
Oh!! I love you man for thus post!!! Keep up the good work!!
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Dear anonymous..
being hindu is not about following calanders or worshiping different gods ..its something above that ...
but then y we follow different calanders ??
its based on mostly as making of a new era by different kings( vikram samwat and shaq samvat )it has nothing to with the hinduism ...
did u notised in both the calander fesivals are on same day (dates and year of both the calanders are different)..that is beacuse festivals are guided by another calculation based on solar and lunar movements ..have u eve heard about do-mass...in some years , one month is considered equal to 2 months time period(do-mass= 2 months ) it is done in order to make the calculation of solar movement accurate ...
what ever it is ...its noting to be related to hinduism ....its pure matametics for the calulation of time ....
now about differt gods ...dear sir / madam ..its just a symbolic reprsentation of different powers ...power of knowladge ( sarswati) the energy ( durga) ect ....but in the end it is said param baramh parmata ...it means ...the energy in totality ..in the purest form is parmatma ..param bramha means the total and absolute wisdome ...
i think ...what i understood so far my help u to understan hiduism to some exten ..even i think i still have much more to understand .. the true nature of it is still in my search list ...hope one day i will find out the truth .. :)
Wow. I can't even believe I'm reading this.
Folks, it's one thing to be proud of your Hindu background. I'm proud too. But it's another thing entirely to sit around and re-define historic events that aren't well documented enough to suit your immediate needs.
There was no "Hindu Holocaust". These days, the term "holocaust" is primarily defined as the intentional mass slaughter of European Jews during World War II. As in, the Nazis deliberately rounded up anyone of Jewish descent, stuck them on trains to Poland, and gassed them en masse.
This type of event did NOT occur in India's history. Were there atrocities? Yes. Was there Muslim-Hindu violence? Yes. Did Muslim invaders round up MILLIONS of Hindus and stick them in gas chambers or crematoriums? NO NO NO! There is no evidence that this happened. Until someone finds a document that definitely proves that Muslim invaders stuck millions of Hindus into gas chambers, STOP ACTING AS IF INDIA SUFFERED A HOLOCAUST. All this crap you are writing about a "Hindu Holocaust" is just inflammatory garbage.
If you really want to write about the terrible loss of life that India has suffered through the centuries, perhaps you should focus on the horrific famines that occured during British rule. Or, you could write about the loss of life from the cyclones that devastated Bengal over the past few hundred years. All these horrible events are actually quite well documented.
Even better, perhaps you could focus on the difficulties that most modern-day Hindus face that are inflicted upon them by fellow Hindus. Try visiting the slums of Bombay, or the villages of North India for your material. I have no doubt you will find plenty.
We all know that Hindus and Muslims have a rocky history, paved with blood. But that was yesterday. We have other problems to face today - such as improving Indian infrastructure (electricity, water, gas) and expanding access to education. Sitting around on internet websites so you can whine about imagined historical grievances is a waste of everyone's time. Get a grip, and start writing about the important problems that India faces NOW. You can't change the past - but you can have a positive impact on the future.
And as for all this garbage about modern-day Muslims owing us Hindus some sort of "apology", that is just bullshit. Nobody gets to pick the family, society, history, or religion that they are born into. They simply have to accept their circumstances and make the most of them. I have absolutely no intention of apologizing for any past historic "grievances" that Hindus have inflicted on Muslims in the Kashmir area, because I am not responsible for those actions. My only commitment is to do my part to ensure that I and my family have no part in such horrific actions in the future. I expect the same from other Muslims, and so should you.
And as for Pakistan, it's more than obvious that that sad little country is suffering plenty for it's historic stupidity. It has no genuine leadership, no reliable civic institutions, and no tradition of non-religious higher education. I think it's safe to say that Jinnah - a man who happily drank whiskey and ate pork - is probably rolling over in his grave at the sight of what has become of his beloved Pakistan. So can your ridiculous anti-Muslim sentiments, and start focusing on finding solutions to the modern-day problems that India faces.
Dear Anonymous (Posted: September 12, 2009 11:16 AM) I respect your views. Not that just because we are from democractic country but also that I believe in this Santana Dharma which has same principles.
"...focus on the difficulties that most modern-day Hindus face that are inflicted upon them by fellow Hindus" YES. I agree.
"Try visiting the slums of Bombay, or the villages of North India for your material..." YES, and not just North India include the entire India.
"start writing about the important problems that India faces NOW. You can't change the past - but you can have a positive impact on the future..." YES that's correct. Let's act for the present and future.
But, what you got enitrely wrong is 'if you consider only massacre of people only through GAS. At least reading through those paras it sounds that you're considering only that way. Brother, the number of killings and brutality showed by these invaders of INDIA is way more than you can even speak off. YES, only thing is - it is not documented, not in the way you're saying it so. Dont get me wrong when I am stating all these. I am only stating the facts. Truth is truth. It doesnt matter if today we are friends or foes. Or want to be for that matter. Get this shying away from truth doesnt wipe it off from past. We were invaded, brutalized, wandalized, raped, murdered, looted... that stands truth. Be it by Muslims or Christians. And, sad thing is those people who did it, did it in name of GOD - their GOD.
I am working on a web project for immigration and am surprised that this hasnt changed in that part of the world. If you want to know the truth visit those temples that have been vandalized looted and destructed to ruins. At least you can realize that we dont have Kohinoor diamond here in INDIA. There are innumerous things if I start put down. One, I dont like to digg those things up. Two, I dont want to waste time in doing so. Three, it's difficult for me if I do, for I have friends from every community.
I just couldnt stop when you just ridiculed in a page - all those pains that our ancestors have gone through of those times. Have respect for them. Accepting truth doesnt mean that got to go against the present.
Again dont get me wrong. I have respect for you and all. I just want you(& all) to know(& realize) the truth.
u say the muslims no longer opress or insult hindus?
i humbly request your sources to this statement...
have u ever heard of a country called malaysia?
2000 years ago, hinduism came here from india and the indonesian kingdoms.
ever since we gained our independence in the year 1957, and the naming our country as a ISLAM COUNTRY with an OFFICIAL RELIGION; muslim,... countless temple destructions have been ordered by our government.
they do not even take shame in their actions or statements about the practice of hinduism.
in malaysia, temples are not allowed to be built in places where muslims live or have to drive by. temples have a certain height quota, as building it any taller would insult any other religions and be hence, demolished.
a muslim man once took a gun and tried to shoot the famed statue of Lord Muruga in Batu Caves.
a Hanuman temple was demolished in brickfields, KL to build a second monorail station in the same district. any temple festivals are required to get permission from the local authorities who are then given the right to record or INTERVEINE and STOP the proceedings if they feel it fit. in 2007, the protestors from the HINDRAF (hindu rights action force) were arrested and beaten up under accusation of attempted murder during protesting,...in 2009, muslim extremists protesting against the relocation of a temple (which, was demolished in its original location, in the first place) cut the head of the holy beast (cow) and paraded with it, spat on it infront of the public, and were NEVER arrested. if you do not believe me, google it, OR YOUTUBE it!!
i do not understand why this opression and so much more they do to hindus, forcing them to convert (in malaysia, once converted into islam, even if without ur own consent, there is no legal way to convert out of islam into anyother faith, and u can be arrested if found in a church, temple or wat thereafer), and desecration towards our faith and idols can NOT REACH the attention of the united nations and the rest of the world's hindus' attention...
I apologise for questioning ur sources, it just hurts that some people have the luxury of looking forward to the future of peace with muslim brothers while some of us are arrested for entering a temple.
It is said that 'those who do not know their own history are condemned to repeat it', that is why it is important to know what happened.
Well Said Abhiji.
History and the past leaves several scars. The wounds have healded and are ignored until old scars are visible. history is for us to understand our past and pave way to a better future. What is ancient always need not be right. What suits for now for the social fabric of life is the essence of a living religion - religion again is a bad word these days.. its better to the Hindu spiritual way rather than the Hindu Religion. Its great to be on the hindu path to freedom.
By the way i was searching for how to do puja at home and discovered your blog. Please write a blog that covers puja rituals we can follow at home along with explanations. Roughly a generalisation will help which might help the liberal, global hindu.. A family will have various needs - Starting from Ganesh Invocation, Navagraha for protection.. children praying to Goddess Saraswathi for Good education.. the Head of the family asking Goddess Laxmi for nourishing the home.. the women praying to Goddess Durga or Maa kali for protecting the entire family.. Then Praying to Lord Narayana and Lord Shiva.. What can be offered for prayer, What is the significance of Aarti, etc.
I know everyone has their favorite Gods.. but practicing prayer rituals at the initial level can be a step towards knowing and then understanding and going deeper into the significance our Dharma..
If you can write something on it, it would be really helpful for people who seek to begin somewhere simple.
Om.
C P Aaryaan
Abhi, I totally disagree because atrocities against Hindus are going on by Muslims presently and they well documented by many human rights groups..
Global Human Rights Defence
http://www.ghrd.org/default.asp?ID=3699
Hindu Human Rights
http://www.hinduhumanrights.org/
Some people on here may want to believe that’s not true then they can always go to Kashmir with a aum t-shirt on to find out..We didn’t survive because of non violence like many Hindus wrongly believe but many Hindu warriors had to fight to protect Hinduism while the Gurus and Swamis kept Hindu teachings alive..You can read more here to get the picture.
The myth of "1000 years of Hindu slavery"
http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/Issues/30/history.htm
That’s why its important to remember our past or it to prevent it repeating..
Hi readers
I am a Hindu and am a citizen who has been living outside India for the last few years,while in India I lived slongside freinds of other religions -effects were there but as being a majority nothing could go wrong bcoz I stayed in a dominated Hindu society.
After coming outside I learnt that countries are secular but these same countries who represent secularism have a religious agenda back of their mind.For eg.In KSA you cannot find a temple but every muslim from KSA or anyother country who settles in other country wants a mosque tell me how justified is this.
In the country of their religious worship they cannot allow a temple or a church for that matter.
We ourselves have to be blamed for this.In India you talk about religion you are 100% bound to be out of the conversation table because people say you are religious,I personally had a very bitter experience when one of the 4star hotel had arranged a signature campaign to let people know that avoid colors during holi or avoid celebrations during Navratri as it creates noise pollution but tell me how many of us have got the guts to say that the morning prayer in the Muslim areas disturb us to hell as this is also noise pollution but if we say this then in India,in our own country because of this so called secular b***stds we may get fined.
In the US a president takes his oath holding a bible,in UK the prime minister takes his oath in the Church of England - they too are secular but not to forget that they are Christians first that is their core identity,but we are so shameless that being 80% mejority we cannot dare to say that we are Hindus hecause we will be branded as religious or it might upset others.
Karunanidhi had the audicity to question who is Ram and we wore bangles, not a single politician had the guts to rip him off, I doubt if he has to gut to say who is Allah or who is Jesus,the day he does that I feel you won't find Karunanidhi the same may be he will run to apoligise.
In every country if you have to live you follow the majority unlike ours wherein we have to please the minoirty,we talk of secularism let see in 50 years time when the minority becomes the mejority who talks about secularism.
Hinduism has lived through ages,through ages as we say that nothing can touch hinduism but tell me hasn't Hinduism been wiped out from the Balkans to Malaysia,the only part of Hinduism that does exist is in India and Nepal,pl see the Hindu population that has been eroded from these parts of the world and been replaced by Islam or Christianity.
It is absolutely wrong to comment that Hinduism is not effected it has been effected and if our secular mantra is not stopped then my friends it will not be long when instead of being called a secular Hindu India we will be called a Christian India or an Islamic India.
Great post and comments, helping non-Hindus to have insight to this great culture. However there are scrap comments also from the people who is keeping poisons inside their mind. What is wrong in India being secular while the majority is Hindus? Does that mean that India=Hindu=India only? Somebody think that the hatred to others only a way to succeed and they keep on posting that way.
Dear Author,
Your piece is quite right. It is really strange that the descendents of people who took a strange turn towards tolerance, eons back, which incidently allowed these descendents to see in a clear light, without need to fear or seek favours have little respect for tolerance.
Till the mind equates tolerance with inability the vision will remain clouded. Tolerance is for somebody who can. Intolerance is for those who cannot. Is it that difficult to decipher?
The comments make it appear that there are only two types of Hindus:
1) Those who feel hurt and under seize and
2) Those who fear a hindu-muslim discord so much that they are willing to disregard history.
Both a clear sign of too much attachment.
If We forget then History will repeat itself. You can repeat and learn from it rather than deny it which is a very immature. People Liek Zakir naik are getting away with their crap because we have never stood up and asserted where we draw the line. Bharat in the days or the old stretched Beyond Afghanistan and Bhutan. Today its half of its former size.
A culture not deeply rooted in its history is like a tree with roots exposed, it will wither away sooner or later.
Under Christianity and Islam many-many small and established cultures throughout the world have been wiped out with a brush of one kind of paint. South America with Christianity and Middle East with Islam are prime examples.
What is wrong with variety?
Why do things have to be the same?
Abrahamic religions feel it is wrong, it is 'either their way or the highway'.
If we feel we have not made enough of our mistakes already, let us learn from others' mistakes and start by writing our very own Hindu history. Everything else will fall in its right place in time.
Here is a two-page article that eloquently argues why it is unwise to forget the Hindu Holocaust.
http://voi.org/vigil/general/retainingcivilizationalmemory.html
While the glorious history of Hindu resistance is not discussed in the official discourses, the losses incurred in the past are also kept out of the collective memory. The geographical spread of the Hindu civilization has been on decline. The loss of regions has reduced Hindus mainly to Indian subcontinent from its vast spread ranging beyond Afghanistan in the west to central and Southeast Asian regions in the east. Even within the Indian subcontinent Hindus are fast losing their lands. Expulsion of Hindus from Kashmir valley is the most recent example. Christianization of north eastern regions is also mainly a post independence phenomenon. Demographic shifts in Assam, West Bengal and Tripura is currently an issue of major concern. Even then a semblance of false sense of security is cultivated among Hindus by scuttling all the means through which the community may be made aware of the dangers that is lurking in its corridors. Hindus can no more afford to be complacent under the false sense of security believing that they will always survive against all the odds. Hindus will have to understand the forces which are at work acting against it incessantly.
Attempt to retain civilizational memory should aim at renewing the collective memory of Hindus with the glorious history of past by making fresh bids to understand and imbibe the spirit of resistance and the saga of heroic struggle against the invading barbaric hordes. It has become important in the context of increasing threats to Hindu civilization that the Hindus are made aware of the impending dangers and the challenges posed by the forces pitted against it. In the light of the past experiences and current challenges Hindus need to strategize themselves in the wider civilizational context. 14 August may be chosen as the day representing one of the most recent tragedies which make us to see the necessity of keeping its memories alive. Lacs of lives were sacrificed, many times that number were uprooted, raped and looted. We need to remember the day lest such events are not repeated in future. Let's join to mark the day by contributing to build a vigilant society which never allows such tragedies to recur.
Hindus today constitute a large community spread over almost every part of the world. Apart from around a billion living in India, Hindus have sizeable presence in many countries like US, UK, Canada, Australia, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Fiji, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka and Trinidad and Tobago. The Hindus in India remains indifferent to what happens in Malaysia or Bangladesh, while Hindus in US and UK finds it difficult to connect back to their roots in India. The history of forced migration is forgotten, Hindus in countries like Trinidad and Tobago and Fiji are left to fend for themselves. The main objective is to create a vigilant Hindu society which is aware of its own history and is able to interact with past more analytically and objectively. It is an attempt to create a new class of enlightened people who can fearlessly question the stereotypes and obsolete concepts and create a new wave of awareness free from biased and distorted notions about the past. It aims at creating a new awakening and heralding a new era of fresh ideas and concepts. Without attempting to preserve and analyse experience of the Hindu society though the course of violent onslaught and destruction the required level of awareness so as to question existing myths and stereotypes is not possible. It is therefore necessary to institutionalize such memories which may generate a feeling of oneness and herald an era of unity so that Hindus can stand up and connect with each other globally on the issues concerning the community.
Nice article by Dr.Shiv Shakti
http://voi.org/vigil/general/retainingcivilizationalmemory.html
Retaining Civilizational Memory
Historically speaking Hindus are one of the most persecuted communities in the world who had to face incessant invasions, persecution, oppression and suppression of various kinds and extremely exploitative form of colonization. Yet, there is little talk about preserving the memories for those who perished in defence of Hindu culture and civilization. Lack of historical memory has also resulted in projecting Hindus as a divided house, unconnected, scattered and splintered in numerous ways. The world is said to be globalizing, but Hindus as a community make little effort to celebrate its global presence. There must be something that binds the Hindus globally, there must be something that reconnects the scattered parts into a global whole. The common history of Hindu community seems to be one of the answers. From the sea of the past Hindus can well discover the pearl for future.
In the recent historical memory, 14 August is a day which Hindus should remember and pass down its memories to the generations to come. It was the day in 1947 when India was partitioned and Pakistan was born. The event was the culmination of a bloody trail of genocide, riot, loot, arson and rape. The demand of Pakistan accompanied by demand of partitioning India was raised aggressively threatening use of force against the Hindus by Muslim League leaders. The meek response of the national leadership to the threats of Muslim League resulted in one of the massive displacement of population known to the human history with more than 12.5 million people forced to leave their homeland seeking refuge on the other sides of the border. The loss of life has been roughly estimated to be around 5,00,000 with some estimates even claiming around 10, 00,000 killings in the resultant riots and genocides. The human tragedy so far remains untold and un- accounted for with little efforts to revisit the ravaging impact of the partition.
Of late, there has been a conscious attempt to undermine the impact of partition and the untold miseries that were inflicted on Hindus on both sides of the current border. It has become a taboo to discuss in public the events leading to partition and the manner in which anti-Hindu riots were whipped up in connivance of the ruling dispensation in erstwhile united Bengal and Punjab resulting in unprovoked killings of Hindus. The call for "Direct Action" by Muslim League was responded with silence and surrender by the colonial rulers with no protests from the national leaders of the time. Hindus became victim of the silence and surrender to the Muslim League aggression which was pre-mediated and well planned. The same attitude is being displayed even today by the Hindu leaders who choose to mislead the entire Hindu community into a false sense of security.
The events related to partition are made to fade out of the public memory. As partition and the price of partition extracted from the Hindus fades out of the collective memory, Hindus become more and more vulnerable to repetition of such attacks which is political, social and economic in nature. A community is deprived of its history to rob it from its collective identity and any sense of unity. Such a process is aimed at ideologically disarming the community in face of mounting challenges and attacks. Hindus are passing through the same process. The history is distorted and misrepresented to make Hindus feel themselves to be a collection of disparate pieces waiting to be shattered at any single stroke. Hindus are presented as caste ridden community disunited and disoriented by diverse forces at work. Hindu resistance to Islam and Christianity is rarely discussed. The heroic struggle by the Hindu rulers and leaders alike in the face of Islamic onslaught and colonial rule are relegated to background lest Hindus discover their sense of pride and self-esteem.
Muhammad was a Mass Murderer:
In 626 AD, the Prophet brought allegation against the Beni Koraiza that they had entered into a secret intrigue with the Koraish of Mecca against the Muslims of Medina, an allegation that was never investigated. A kangaroo court was formed with a new convert Sa’d, loyal to the Prophet, as the Judge and he issued a bloody verdict that said – all the able men would be beheaded, women and children would be sold as slaves and the spoils would be divided among the Muslim. They were nearly 2000 souls, including men, women and children. The verdict was delivered in the afternoon and immediately the men, about 800 in number, hands tied behind their backs, were separated from women and children, and kept under confinement. (Boys with pubic hair were taken as adults). The Prophet selected Rihana, most beautiful among the women for him. During the night a ditch large enough to contain 800 corpses was dug in the market-place of Medina.
In the morning, Mohammad, himself a spectator of the tragedy, commanded the male captives to be brought forth in companies of five or six at a time. The unfortunates were then asked to sit down on the brink of the ditch facing the ditch, in a row and Hamja, the Prophet’s uncle, and Jubair, Talha and Ali, the cousins of Muhammad, chopped their heads off and kicked the dead bodies into the ditch. Only one woman was beheaded along with the men-folk and it was alleged that in one occasion she had planned to kill the Prophet by rolling down a heavy stone from the top of a building.
To describe the incident Sir W Muir, the celebrated biographer of the Prophet, writes, “The butchery, begun in the morning, lasted all day, and continued by torchlight till the evening. Having thus drenched the market-place with the blood of seven or eight hundred victims, and having been commanded for the earth to be smoothed over their remains, Mohammad returned from the horrid spectacle to solace himself with the charms of Reihaha, whose husband and all her male relatives had just perished in the massacre. He invited her to be his wife; but she declined, and chose to remain his slave or concubine”. The Life of Mahomet, Voice of India, New Delhi, 1992).
I think all religions had their dark days, but there is one which seem determined to remain in its darkness. If it does not, it will see the same fate as many old dogmatic beliefs faced - destruction.
where do you want to bury it . hardly any one knows what happened at that time that part of history is not there in the indian history books or in history books of other country . but one thing is sure none of the issues have been solved they are still present and very much active . people need to know that islam and christianity are not peaceful religions they are working for their supremecy from the very start and now they want it even more . we need to realize that they are they and we are we . whatever any body says or do ,one thing is for sure we cannot trust them .
It is not true that only missionaries are attacking hindus. Probably, you are never privy to the discussions and sermons that take place in mosques. Muslim preachers like Zakir Naik, Palani Baba, South African preacher, and many more dawa preachers are doing this day in and day out.
I do not know why most of us keep feeling so bad that India was partitioned. I look at the positive side of it. Imagine if we were saddled with all the people and the misery of what is going in our west and east sides, more so on the west side!!!
Jo hota hai, acchhe ke liye ho hota hai.
Another point- too much paranoid feeling is being spread by harsh words here by many. What we dont realise is the inherent strength of 'our' culture. About which poet Allama Iqbal said-
Yunan-o-Misr-o-Roma Sab Mit Gaye Jahan Se
Ab Tak Magar Hai Baki Naam-o-Nishan Hamara
Kuchh Baat Hai Ke Hasti Mit’ti Nahin Hamari
Sadiyon Raha Hai Dushman Daur-e-Zaman Hamara.
- Allama Iqbal
"Great post and comments, helping non-Hindus to have insight to this great culture. However there are scrap comments also from the people who is keeping poisons inside their mind. What is wrong in India being secular while the majority is Hindus? Does that mean that India=Hindu=India only? Somebody think that the hatred to others only a way to succeed and they keep on posting that way" Thalkshanan, you r right. But why this fervevent insistence on the Hindus of India keep giving up their native homeland to outsiders? the islam& christianinty were both invaders on India with specific goals of various types of brutal conquest & destruction of the Indian culture to gain control over the rich natural resources & material wealth. When the atrocities have continued unabated till date, only ebbing a short while only to regroup & refresh, what can make us forget it? What have the christians & muslims done to heal the wounds & insults & humiliations they have caused on Hindus in India? They continue with the systematic destruction even today. Don't you think, for Mr. A to forget that Mr. B & Mr. C have been beating him up & robbing his wealth & hurting his family, B & C need to stop their behavior first? You can't keep beating me up & alas accuse me of not forgetting what you did 3 days ago, which was the same as what you do today?
I would like to put in some comment here
Firstly I am a foreigner but I follow strict hinduism eventhough my country is Malaysia and the main religion is Islam.But there is no such thing as conversion....it is up to you.
the problem is with the indian visitors from India.as in malaysia if you are a brahmin you are a vegetarian but currently the indian wala from india come to malaysia claim themself as brahmin and hanging around the pub and even eating beef.
and the worst is they boast they are brahmin where else they behave worst than a chandala.
and most of the expat from india have high nose they think they are demigod.and want the the malaysian to think they are great forget it lah bro.the indian in tamil nadu is another joking stuff....you act in a tamil movie...and you are born in tamil nadu and the most funny thing is that you dod not know how to speak tamil;-).I assume we are better ebenthough our grandfathers came from india we still follow the hindu culture.first we need to teach the hindu to behave like a real hindu.
Hindus are the people with liberal taught and are receptive to all philosophies and religions of the world. Yet we are the most attacked and abused in the name of religion. Caste, class and creed are
every where in the world. All the religions hold hostage of the mankind and are herded to heavens by force by their priests and preachers......!
Exception is in the case of Hindu.
To practice religion and live in liberty Hindus must preserve their identity.
All the living things in the world react to attack from their own species except human Hindus.
Learn from history.... UTHISHTA, JAGRATHA..!
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