The video below compares the concept of beginning and end of universe in Hinduism with that of modern cosmology. The video is presented by Carl Edward Sagan - an American astronomer and astrobiologist and a highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics, and other natural sciences.
Below is the transcript of the video. This is because the subject matter is very complex and you might need repeated listening.
Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite number of deaths and rebirths.
It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the earth or the sun and about half of the time since the big bang. And there are much longer time scales still.
There is the deep and the appealing notion that the universe is but the dream of the god who after a 100 Brahma years… dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep… and the universe dissolves with him… until after another Brahma century… he starts… recomposes himself and begins again the dream… the great cosmic lotus dream.
Meanwhile… elsewhere… there are an infinite number of other universes… each with its own god… dreaming the cosmic dream…
These great ideas are tempered by another perhaps still greater it is said that men may not be the dreams of the gods but rather that the gods are the dreams of men.
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The most elegant and sublime of these bronzes is a representation of the creation of the Universe at the beginning of each cosmic cycle – a motif known as the cosmic dance of Shiva. The god has four hands. In the upper right hand is the drum whose sound is the sound of creation. And in the upper left hand is a tongue of flame… a reminder that the universe now newly created… will billion of years from now will be utterly destroyed. Creation. Destruction.
These profound and lovely ideas are central to ancient Hindu beliefs as exemplified in this Chola temple at …. They are kind of reminiscent of modern astronomical ideas. Without doubt the universe has been expanding since the big bang but it is by no means clear that it will continue to expand for ever. If there is less than a certain amount of matter in the universe, then the mutual gravitation of the receiving galaxies will be insufficient to stop the expansion and the Universe will run away forever. But if there is more matter than we can see…hidden away in black holes… say or in hot but invisible gas between galaxies, then the universe holds together, and partakes in every Indian succession of cycles… expansion followed by contraction… cosmos upon cosmos…Universes without end. If we live in such an oscillating universe, then the Big Bang is not the creation of the cosmos but merely the end of the previous cycle the destruction of the last incarnation of the cosmos.
Neither of these modern cosmologies may be altogether to our liking. In one cosmology, the universe is created somehow from nothing 15 to 20 billion years ago and expands forever. The galaxy is mutually receding until the last one disappears over our cosmic horizon. Then the galactic astronomers are out of business… the stars cool and die…matter itself decays…and the Universe becomes a thin cold haze of elementary particles.
In the other, the oscillating universe, the cosmos has no beginning and no end… and we are in the midst of an infinite cycle of cosmic deaths and rebirths. With no information trickling through the cusps of the oscillation…nothing of the galaxies, stars, planets, life forms, civilizations evolved in the previous incarnation of the universe trickles through the cusp filters past the Big Bang to be known in our universe.
For those people with small kpbs connection, the video might pause a number of times while playing the first time. But after the completion of the video once, you can play it again and view without pauses.
26 comments:
Great video, thank you for sharing the link. Unfortunately it's now been removed from YouTube.
Thanks for reminding that the video has been removed from YouTube. Luckily i had downloaded the same. Now uploaded in the blogger videos. Thanks to the person who had originally uploaded it.
Wow! Great stuff.
hi. where can i obtain the video?
shyam
Namaste, the Video is in the middle of the content. The video was previously available in Youtube but later it was removed. This current video is hosted on the blogger site itself.
The time cycle given above is exactly correct. with god's blessing i understood. i know what is kalpam, brahma etc. i was shocked to see water on the head of siva. it is only a scientific truth. i have not disclosed this so far. the age of brahma is scientifically correct.
you say: "It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology"
why say "by accident"? nothing is by accident, and the ancient vedic science is a precise science, and with more knowledge and wholeness than any other science
I did not say it. It is the transcript of the video... it is the words of Carl Sagan.
yes, he did ... thank you, and thank you for making this beautiful site ..
it just drew my attention because it seems that scientifically it's impossible to make an 'accident' with such precision... - so how can a scientist, astronomer and astrobiologist, think it's an accident?
:)
Why is this video no longer available.... i wanted to see...
The video is available....be a bit patient if you are using a slow connection....you can see it
thank you so much.
i can now begin to understand the basis behind the concept of reincarnation.
I am very thankful for your site and the site with links below:
Brahmaa's Age:
http://us.geocities.com/sushmajee/hindureligion/index.htm
http://us.geocities.com/sushmajee/hindureligion/glossary/time-2.htm
http://us.geocities.com/hindupuraan/upanishad/mundak/mund-oprolog.htm
In Hindu, Brahma also doesn't know what the real form of Brahm is, therefore Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv also meditate always to know the Brahm.
The Mundakopnishad and Katha, ... Upnishads have very clearly defined the Brahm and its Illusion i.e. we ourselves and our world.
I copied it from the link, please go though link for more details:
Sat 4,800 Divine-years x 360* = 1,728,000 Human-years
Tretaa 3,600 Divine-years x 360 = 1,296,000 Human-years
Dwaapar 2,400 Divine-years x 360 = 864,000 Human-years
Kali 1,200 Divine-years x 360 = 432,000 Human-years
Total = 12,000 Divine-years x 360 = 4,320,000 Human-years
*because
1 Human-year = 1 Divine-day
360 Divine-days = 1 Divine-year
therefore,
360 Human-years = 1 Divine-year
therefore,
4,320,000 Human-years x 1,000 4-Yug period
= 4,320,000,000 years = Brahmaa's day = 4,320,000,000 years = Brahmaa's night
the above time scales are correct and are consistent with Vedic Scriptures.
Dear Friends,
I see that some said that the time calculations in this section regarding the manifestation of the universe are correct because the scriptures say so. So what? The question is: have these calculations been realized and not just understood intellectually?
For example, why is 24 the basic number of time? Because 8 X 3 = 24. Each guna folds eight times to complete a circle and the three are ever together. What is a fold? A fold is a bend of space which makes time, measurable motion.
But why eight folds? Because matter (akasa) is flat like the surface of the ocean without waves. A wave must rise four folds before it can turn back upon itself making a circle.
Any comments regarding the correctness of my analysis will be greatly appreciated.
By the way, I did not read this in any book.
It is injustice to say that the time scales provided in the Hindu religion correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology 'BY ACCIDENT' diluting the statement further with the words 'WITH OUT DOUBT'. This is unjustifiable rejection of documented truths in the Hindu scriptures mainly on the basis of the ill founded doubt that people of those ages could not postulate such great revelations. Whatever the author says thereafter becomes just 'stuff' as he is a non-believer of truth.
Dear Abhilash,
Where or what is the origin of a theory, concept or a general law in Hinduism?
I have ever found (in your blog also) that anyone can state a concept of himself and say it is a concept of Hinduism.
Otherwise, quote for me the exact verses in any books or scripts of Hinduism where "concept of beginning and end of universe in Hinduism" is defined.
And "Hindu religion….. dedicated to the idea that the cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite number of deaths and rebirths"….
gladnews
Dear Abhilash,
I continually have problems posting my comments. If you can be of assistance, that would be great. Otherwise, I will probably discontinue this blog.
Dear Arthur IE6 and chrome users are having some trouble in posting comments. The easy way is to simply send it once again means don't retype just click the button a second time - when the message says ur comment could not be send.
All blogger comments have this issue and we can only hope it will be sorted out soon...
There is no problem for firefox users..
Thanks for the hanuman chalisa & great insight of this great religion. A great learning.
It is an interesting video to watch and to know some basics of hinduism. In saivaite thought, the concept of incarnation is not accepted. I have read this detail from many scholarly writings including one by Mr. Viswanthapillai. The author of the video says here that the 7th century Chola sculptures in the Hindu temples are various incarnations of Shiva. Can you please explain?. Secondly for a statement such as scietific, truth etc. are to be substantiated by exact scriptural references. According to the Advaita philosophy the cosmos is eternal, which would mean the creation is ex-deo. can you please clarify.
Thanks
Bavani Rajan
Good post...
For Mr.Gladnews, who asked scriptures to be quoted - you can find them in as many places as you can put your hand on but the first places to start are -
Naasadiya Sukta of Rig Veda or the Creation Hymn. I'm producing the Sanskrit verse in English here
- Na-asat-aaseeth no-sat-aaseeth, tadaaseeth.....
- Then even nothingness was not, nor was existence....(AL Basham's translation)
You can google for AL Basham and find the whole translation of it if you are such an earnest seeker..
This sukta gives some of the most profound statements EVER made on the origin, existence and dissolution of the Universe...
Hiranya Garbha Sukta - it is almost like the BIG BANG theory written down in print, only millions of years earlier...
The mystique of Sanathana Dharma (as a matter of fact i don't use the word HINDU - it is a misnomer or the Eternal Religion is that it needs to be approached by an earnest seeker WITHOUT the blinkers of MODERNITY or OBSCURANTISM...that is indeed the reason why it is a UNIVERSAL and ETERNAL religion - some of the earnest "religious" followers also make mistakes in trying to "curve-fit" Science in to the concepts of the Sanathana Dharma...to be fair, both are two different paths to talk about the same reality that creates, sustains and dissolves whatever we can see, feel or imagine..
he probably said its 'accidental' as he doesn't wish to be targeted by american and european 'geniuses' who probably prefer to imagine their own scientific minds had formulated such theories all by themselves. one word to them - lol!
Can some one tell me how to see the video.. I tried for an hour, couldn't make it out. Please let me know if the video is available in any other link.
Thanks
Hey the video is working fine you must be using IE6. Youtube videos are not available in Internet Explorer 6
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