Pusphak Vimana (plane) in Ramayana and Brahmastra (which has the effect of atomic bomb) used in Mahabharata and Ramayana are two of the most important incidents often used to relate ancient Hindus with UFOs and Nuclear Weapons. This is also a pet theme of UFO researchers. They believe that the knowledge about Nuclear weapons and planes were passed on to ancient Hindus by Extraterrestrials (ET).
Such articles are published regularly on the internet without any new finds, sticking to the old revelations which are not yet backed by any solid proof. Most of the articles are repetitions of the articles published the past several decades.
Recently, Sri Lanka Tourism had mentioned about the Ramayana Sites in the country and in it they talk about Werangatota, which is believed to be the place the Pushpaka Vimanam (flying machine of Ravana) could have landed. Werangatota is about 10 km from Mahiyangana, east of Nuwara Eliya.
So Did Ancient Hindus Know about Nuclear Weapons and UFOs? Nobody can say a firm No or a firm Yes. But what has been talked about in Mahabharata and Ramayana, which were dismissed as fantasy and fiction 100 years ago, are a reality today.
This article in Cite Libre is the latest one that talks about Ancient Hindus and Nuclear Weapons.
It is in ancient Indian epic poems such as such The Mahabarata and The Ramayana that we can read what appear to be references to an otherwise relatively primitive people having the capacity to wield highly destructive nuclear weapons. Not surprisingly it is as a direct consequence of such compelling passages that many UFOlogists like Erich Von Daniken and W. R. Drake (According to The Evidence - Souvenir, 1977 and Gods & Spacemen In The Ancient East - Sphere, 1976), have argued that the highly advanced capacity to use (and misuse) nuclear weaponry must have being handed down to these ancient people by the "gods" or, in other words, highly-advanced extra-terrestrial spacemen.
Reading through the various passages of The Ramayana and The Mahabarata with an eye to references of destructive nuclear type weapons certainly does lend itself to believing such claims, too. The evidence does appear to be highly compelling. For instance on p.383 of the Drona Parva we come across the following lines which certainly could be construed as evidence of the loathsome effects of detonating a nuclear weapon of some sorts:
"Encompassed by them (bowmen)... Bhisma smiting the while and uttering a leonine roar, took up and hurled at them with great force a fierce mace of destruction of hostile ranks. The mace of adamantine strength, hurled like Indra's thunder by Indra himself, crushed, O King, thy soldiers in battle. And it seemed to fill. the whole earth with a loud noise. And blazing forth in splendour, that fierce mace inspired thy sons with fear. Beholding that mace of impetuous course and endowed with lightening flashes coursing towards them, thy warriors fled away uttering frightful cries. And at the unbelievable sound .of that fiery mace, many men fell down where they stood and many car (vimana or flying vehicle) warriors also fell down from their cars."
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Interesting.. but the UFO idea is nonsense. What they call "UFO" refers to God - and it is possible that as scriptures say God gave this knowledge. And I personally think that while the divine weapons are not quite the same as nuclear weapons they acted in a similar manner or at least had the same effect. But it is given by a mantra/prayer and not by the advanced scientific processes we must use today. And the most powerful one (Brahmaastra?) that had the power to destroy the entire universe is of much higher magnitude than our relatively primitive nuclear weapons - which I hope will remain primitive for a long time so that devastating consequences of nuclear war can be avoided. But anyway, still interesting.
Could it not be said that the pantheon of demi-gods and demi-goddesses were aliens. They could do actions that humans term supernatural and bestowed weapons of what humans perceived to be of magical repute, gifts of defying events in the human life cycle, extra-sensory powers and amazing insight. Even emanations such as the revered prophets and sages still capture the imagination with their strange lives. The different demi-gods/demi goddesses, prophets, and sages were described as being organic in nature much like many descriptions of aliens. Many difficult to comprehend scenarios are associated with their lives that are possibly alien-like.
Wright Brothers introduced the world to Airplane ..... and i do remember ...... the description of "Pushpak Vimana" in Ramayana .... It was given by brahma to Kuber ... which Ravana won from kuber in a war.
The Description of Pushpak vimana as a Flying machine has a Poetic sense to it ...and not a scientific one...
Just look at it : Imagine a vehicle ... which always has one extra seat than the number of passengers ... that is N+1 seats for N passengers .... great .... so flexible plane ....? seat Adjustable ....But What about Load Capacity .......? Does the fuel source or energy required for aviation also adjusted accordingly ...?
The construction of Pushpak Vimana: It had three wheels and was triangular in shape ... and had two wings .... does that sound like a description similar to observing .... say a bird or a boat with wings .... and please try drawing wings on a triangle you will be surprised.... can this thing even fly ....? What About Aerodynamics ...?
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9503/pushpakviman.jpg
Now, Let us look at the propellant or fuel for this flying machine ... it was the vested hidden power of the ... mantras ...Great power of mantra ---> Flying machine's engine ..?
Wright Brothers tried more than 200 different variants of wing designs for gliders before attempting powered flight ,..... had "Yajurveda" mentioned it in the construction more clearly would have saved them the effort to start with gliders ..... also is there any incidence .... of wright brothers reading Vedas ... ? i guess not .... instead they were inspired by German pioneer Lilienthal and his Gliding Flights .... mere mention does not prove of its science or Scientific Roots ...in fact it is not Science at all ... it is theology/Philosophy ... Science deals with concrete proofs determinable , replicable , researched , scrutinized, peer reviewed ... calculable , facts and not just mere mention.. that's poetic...
To Wright brothers alone belongs the credit—and the honor—for giving the world the aero technology which changed the course of history as no other. They have given mankind a great and vital commercial air transportation system, the aerospace industry, and air power for defense. Their dedication in adversity serves as an inspiration to all mankind.
Pankaj
Dear Pankaj,
This is regarding the doubts you had expressed in your post.
First, you say that how can there be “One extra seat than the number of passengers?" Well, it is very simple. What it really means is that there is always a seat reserved for the pilot who ultimately flies the aircraft. Even in modern day planes, the "pilot" is not considered to be a “passenger”. He sits apart from them in his own special chamber – the cockpit.
Secondly, about your objection to triangle shaped aircraft....you doubt if it could fly. Did the Concorde fly? Yes, it did and it was roughly triangular in shape. Or why go so far back? Look at the X-47B the US Air Force's latest remote controlled combat aircraft. It is perfectly triangular in shape.
As far as the Wright brothers' contribution to modern aviation goes, it goes without saying that it is immense, there is no doubt about it. However, to say that the credit of flying first goes all to them is nonsense. Even before the Wright brothers, an Indian named Shivkar Talpade had made an unmanned aircraft to fly on a Mumbai beach.
The gigantic signs of birds, animals, spirals, etc. on the plains of Nazca which can only be seen from a great height (and there being no high mountain in the vicinity) are a testimony to the fact that thousands of years ago somebody had gone high up and planned to draw these signs.
You say that "Science deals with concrete proofs determinable, replicable, researched, scrutinized, peer reviewed ... calculable, facts and not just mere mention". The reason why ancient Indian knowledge has not yet been proved on these lines is because we haven't yet come across concrete evidence. But as the late Dr. Carl Sagan, the famous exobiologist once said "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
Do you understand what he meant to say?
Dear Aquarian,
Is it really Important to drag people from bronze age to mid bronze age and give credit to them for something they most probably would never have achieved ...... who were not able to accomplish anything with there imagination ... dont you think that it is fasifiably so wrong to give credit to some bronze aged myth for modern day advancement .... although it may seem like a cultural prestige issue to to say something like ... "Our ancestors use to have flying machines" yes it does give us a sense of falsehood and pretense of our great past ... but at the core of this thesis lies the true understanding of the logical world ... we accept it or not ... but the truth is bronze aged people were not as advanced as us ... there are lots of such myths in other religious books too ... that does not make it true , on the contrary it make a case of great understanding and imagination achievable by human mind but not definitely of its existence ... and please don't drag myths like NAZCA lines ... they can easily be drawn without an aerial ... view ... this has been explained lots of times ...please google it ..u will know ... there are more acceptable and logical explanations for things like these.
"The reason why ancient Indian knowledge has not yet been proved on these lines is because we haven't yet come across concrete evidence" --> Well if u don't have evidence you don't call it science do you ..? and how can u believe in something when you dont have proof ...i m talking here from the perspective of logical and scientific domains ... please don't call shots based on conspiracy theories like nazca lines ... when you bring such theories under scientific scrutiny they crumble under their own weight .....
Carl sagan --> he was definitely a great astronomer ... but think what u are saying ...
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" --> just give me one single comeback on that ... the thing is "Absence of evidence is evidence of absence" as long as you don't find one.
I am trying to give you people a true understanding of things ... it is logically so incoherent to believe ancient myths .... but let me give you one more case... and you will know that we never had any flying machine what so ever ....
Had our ancients knew powered flight it would be easy to have known about the spherical nature of earth ...?
Surely it would be very easy for such an advanced civilisation with the power of flight ... ... and if not ... how they use to navigate aerially ..... did they have any cartographic knowledge ... Why do ancient scriptures don't speak anything about ... Maps or their construction ..? Was it not so important .... ? You have flying machines but no maps ...? That sounds like great argument. But there is even a greater argument ... had our ancients known about spherical nature of earth ... then why do they describe ...earth beared by "Varah Avtara" of vishnu on it tusks.... ? did they not know about gravity ... ?
We can Fly But dont't ask me about gravity/Gravitational force ... Why do ancient scriptures dont explain about ,.. laws of motion ...?
You see there are lots of different sciences involved in co-ordination for years to make powered flight possible .... and all it takes is one evening for a writer of some scripture to imagine it. ...
Do you still think that the credit for powered flight goes to Yajurveda and Pushpak vimana. .... is it really fair .. to say ... Vedic people were original pioneers of flight ...?
It looks like Mr. Pankaj had got all things confused. Who said there were no descriptions about Aerial Topography? If he had read the Ramayana in it's true & proper version, he could have read that on return, after the war, Rama had Indeed described the vast coastlines & the topography of India to Sita. Would it be possible without actually flying over? What he calls myth? Well, i do agree that human beings used to term UNEXPLAINED as God or God's Doing, but still there are unexplained things. At least, un-understood YET. Hindu Myth had described about Big Bang theory also. Unless and until you know something, would you dare to talk about it? And why to take things just as heard? Seeing the dramatized versions on TV one should not jump into a discussion or conclusion. As a researcher i myself had seen artifacts in Peru that are carbon dated to be thousands of years old, and one of them, a very small hardly 2 inches and made of pure gold, was a beautiful model of a modern combat aircraft, precision made and with cockpit too. Does your argument state Dr. Openheimer also as a believer of superstitions? Didn't he Quote from Ramayana & Mahabaratha when asked if his invention was the first ever atomic weapon to be tested and he replied saying "Probably Yes. in the Modern times" & went to quote from those two epics. Science as you, i & many others know... is still in it's infancy - to our knowledge. But there had been people who really knew more than what we know now. One (semi) modern day example: check the maps of Vaso-da-Gama, Columbus and those men. They had shown Antartica not as barren ice lands. But as Continents (extracted from earlier maps). Get the essence of science, not the stories. This is not to hurt anyone, but just trying to explain, at-least a part.
Dear Mr. Anonymous,
Hmm... again i have come to this blog, where people come to fuel there imaginations. The essence of science is empirical knowledge. Yes indeed i have read the true version of Ramayana called valmiki Ramayana. and let me tell you something about it, it is said that valmiki Ramayana was written long before the occurrence actually took place. Do you think that is possible ..? Also as a researcher what you say small golden amulets shaped like planes found in peru could very well be just a just a shape resembling a mosquito cult or co-incidence. People are perfectly capable of drawing weird figures as amulets with out a hint of aerodynamics. Science as we know is more advanced than anything we ever had before, never before in human history did people from earlier times able to develop cyclotron(particle accelerators). Misquoting the words of great scientists is a favorite hobby of occultists and pseudo science believers. Openhiemer cited verses from Bhagavad Gita and not Ramayana or Mahabharata. which were as follows :
If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one ...
and on the day they were observing the nuclear blasts he said :
Verse : "kālo'smi lokakṣayakṛtpravṛddho lokānsamāhartumiha pravṛttaḥ"
Which means, "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
The things that are not EXPLAINABLE yet does not mean we have to take the help of occult, sooner or later the true things of things will be revealed, through meticulous scientific observation. and previous track record of science has consistently proved religion and occult wrong, there are more reasons to believe that it would continue the same in future. It is religious interpretations that have always changed or modified itself to incline with science and not the other ways round.
Science what we know is just 2000 years old, so getting the scientific evidence of a million year old earth is not possible to science itself. Also even if you consider Ramayana as a story the ideas presented in that like weaponry flying vehicles etc are really so futuristic that it will another 2000 yrs for the science to provide evidence
The Evidence to not only a million year old but even hundreds of millions of years of evidence is present on earth about, the ecology , Fossil plants , animals, land drift, geography, ice age , dinosaurs. The Exotic gadgetry that Ramayana depicts isn't anything more than fiction at best. Man in any age was perfectly capable of imagining aerial flight, even if they never had the means to implement it. For your information Ramayana isn't the only text that imagines about such machines. But there are many religious text speaking in a similar fashion. so how does this put Ramayana in some unique light ? It is just another ancient doctrine building a story on the popular ideas of that day and age. The weaponry or flying machine description in Ramayana is very vague and many times highly incorrect as i have mentioned in my earlier comments. In this modern day and age we have far more superior weapons than Rama could have ever have envisioned or he wouldn't be using bow and arrow himself. The gist is stop living in the golden era that never existed come back to reality and you will see that there is a lot we have conquered and lot needs to be done , the ancients were just building sand castles.
>But it is given by a mantra/prayer and not by the advanced scientific processes we must use today.
But it wasn't really. That was just required to gain possession of it. It was delivered by Shiva or Brahma themselves. And I think Clarke's third law is very relevant when examining these things
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Well Clarke also said : Science can destroy religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the non-existence of Zeus or Thor.
> It was delivered by Shiva or Brahma themselves.
I think the very existence of Brahma or Shiva is under scrutiny here, just like zeus.
Also any sufficiently advanced civilization also creates tools to protect there own existence.
Alas there should be some remains of Building, construction, Manufacturing unit or factories , Books, machinery,parts, remains something ... ? But no such thing exists for any so called "Ancient Indian technology" If at all they were build at any scale for consumption, there should be some direct or indirect evidence of its existence and not just mere fables.
Otherwise any such religious text is indistinguishable from A children's books like Harry Potter.
Sir, around 350 year back also in one place pushpaka Viman name also referd. The Saint Santa Tukaram wsa going to surga alive & for Him a pushpaka Vimana has come to take him to sorga. This referance comes in santa Tukarama.The Sant Santa Tukarama is a samakalin of Shivaji Maharaja.This is happend at Alandi near pune Maharastra
P.k.Kulkarni
Dear Friends,
Things that have happened today, is happening now and will happen in future has already occurred millions of years ago. We are not the pioneer human race inhabiting the earth. We are existing after the passage of millions of eons. There were humans of far superior qualities and intelligence before and will be born after us. Acquire a right and evidential knowledge that is what Geeta States.
AT THE END MR. ANONYMOUS YOU FAILED TO PROVE THE FACTS WHICH PANKAJ HAS PROVED YES THIS VIMANA IN RAMAYANA IS ABSOLUTELY FAKE AND I AM SURE THAT THE WHOLE BOOK IS FAKE, RAMAYAN SAYS THAT HANUMAN FLYS ALSO TELLS THAT BEAR TALKS, MORE OVER EAGLES CAN FIGHT WITH HOLDING BOWS AND ARROWS, WHAT KIND OF SCIENCE IS INVOLVED IN IT ?? CONCLUSION PLEASE DON'T BRING NONSENSE FACTS,
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