The sequence of appearance of Lord Vishnu on Earth is in tune with the evolutionary theory. In fact, the ten incarnations of Lord Vishnu is an amazing recording of the advancement of human civilization. All this was recorded by Hindu sages thousands of years before Christ.
The first incarnation or avatar of Lord Vishnu was in the form of a fish and is known as ‘Matsya Avatar.’ It has now been confirmed by Science through various experiments that the first life forms evolved underwater.
The second incarnation of Lord Vishnu was in the form of a tortoise known as ‘Kurma Avatar.’ Tortoise is an amphibious creature capable of living both on land and in water and it indicates the moving of life form from underwater to surface of Earth.
The third incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the boar known as ‘Varaha Avatar’. Boar is a complete land animal and in this incarnation, life form has moved out of water and has adapted to land.
The fourth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the half-man half-animal form known as ‘Narasimha Avatar.’ This incarnation starts the transformation from animal to human form.
The fifth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the dwarf or pigmy sized human being known as the ‘Vamana avatar.’ A transition from the beastly form to human form and the development of intelligence.
The sixth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is the forest dweller known as ‘Parasuram.’ He has developed weapons and axe is his first weapon. Any sharp stone can be transformed into an axe and it also indicates the first settlement of humans in forests.
The seventh incarnation of Lord Vishnu is Lord Ram. He civilized and has developed more superior weapons like the bow and arrows. He has cleared the forests and developed small communities or villages. He is very vigilant and protects his villages and people.
The eight incarnation of Lord Vishnu is Lord Balarama. He is portrayed with the plough – the beginning of full-fledged cultivation. Human civilization has developed agriculture and is no longer depended on meat and forest for food. The beginning of agrarian economy.
The ninth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is
The tenth incarnation of Lord Vishnu is Kalki and is yet to arrive. He is believed to ride on a swift horse Devadatha and destroy the world. A clear indication that human beings will bring an end to life on earth. The numerous natural calamities created by human beings and the numerous nuclear weapons stored illustrates this.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 363 Newer› Newest»An interesting article, but somehow, it gives me the feeling that the foot has been cut to fit the shoe.
Also, most of the proponents of hinduism today seem to be interested in proving to the world that hinduism is relevant today.
All blogs that I see seem to have the words "This has been foretold by sages years ago while the west is just finding it out."
Dont you think that this is defensive and against the basic tenet of hinduism of doing what we think is right?
As Krsna says in the Bhagavad Geetha, karmanyevadhikaraste ma phaleshu kadachana.
Good post though. Extremely thought provoking.
I hope you dont mind if I link to in from my blog:
http://indiansavant.blogetery.com
Cheers
An interesting article.However which Hindu organization has declared the items depicted as authentic?
Excellent article
As you told that vishnu god will take its 10th incarnation in kaliyug but do you have any idea when will he take this Avatar. As I always wants to see him so I am very eager to look him in this Avatar.
Please reply me if you have any idea of it. Approximate idea will also satisfy my thirst.
Thanks God bless you.
Jai Shri Krishna
read kalki purana you will find answer for your question
interesting one.i was searching of something this sort.i have a question dat i dnt knw anything bout varah avatar.can u help me out.
Every religion boils down to same concepts. Even in christianity... we expect return of Christ towards the end of the world and many a places its depicted almost in the same way - Riding on a horseback.
Remember the great words of Sunitha Williams "The earth is so beautiful from the space, beause there are no boundaries..."
Hope everyone understand when we try to explain the meaning of life, we all are like blind men describing a elephant.
Wishing Peace and Happiness to all...
AP
To my knowledge
eigth avatar - krishna
ninth avatar - buddha
tenth avatar - kalki
Buddha is not an incarnation of Vishnu. We in South India were never taught like that. It is Balram for us. I agree with the article.
This is the Genesis when Gods create plants, animals en humans. I beliefe this and the Gods also teached the humans as you showed. But the Gods where really here from a other planet. This is described in the Emoena Elisj of the Sumerians
who lived 3500 BC. This is the same time as the development of the Indusvaley with the same story. The Gods where really here and shall come back to see what we made of his creation and don't be glad when they come because we made a rubble out of it.
This is indeed a very interesting, true and factual depcition of the 10 avataars of Maha Vishnu. I am pleased to see that the writer has not tainted or manipulated the truth to include mortal beings (Sai Baba) as an incarnation/avataar of Lord Maha Vishnu.
When the human mind will catch glimpse of highest state of mind ,where all impure thoughts are dissolved into pure then those who still retain to lower minds and don't accept them selves as the son of one source.In tenth incarnation the lord would be just judging on unstable,fallen ,impure minds those spread some sort of degrading feeling even to themselves and other....Accept the one source the ultimate or just decide on staying in thought that does ultimate exist or not......
I'm not Hindu but I've been studying Yoga for past 35 years. Gita, Ramayana and all the other holy Hindu text give such a complete explanation of the evolution of the universe and ulimately man. What we have to remember is that while European were still living in caves there were books already written in India and China at best oral tradition. This was a fascinating article and I hope that those who are still trying to figure out the evolution theory take a look at this very well explained theory from yore.
Balaram is not a Vishnu Avatar.
It is--
8th Krishna, 9th Buddha and 10th Kalki
-Shubhendu Nath
A very well written article but what about the avtar that Krishna took as Duttu where he took the form of Brahma, Vishu and Mahesh together? This incarnation was not mentioned above.
8th avatar as i know is Balarama
Balaram and Laxman are one and the same and are an avatar of Shesha not Lord Narayan. If you remember from Ramayan....Laxman, having to curb his anger and act according to morals because of being ordered by his older brother Lord Ram, says to him, in our next advent I will be the older brother. Hence Balaram was born before Lord Krishna. Authentic scriptures support Lord Buddh as the 9th incarnation.
Good work Abhilash. And don't fall into the pressure of this Buddha Avatar Chanting...i respect your courage for adding Balram as the eighth avatar...Buddha is not an avatar of Vishnu....Buddha was influenced by the great teachings of Hinduism but had to runaway from the society due to the bad practices of a few.... he showed us the great teaching of Santana Dharma through a different mirror...
as far my knowledge concerns BALARAM AND LAKSHMAN ARE THE AVATARS OF ADISHEHA
K. C. RAMESHA
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as i under stand Balaram and LAKSHMAN ARE THE AVATARS OF ADISHESHA
Balaram and Lakshmana are the avatras of Adishesha, it means Vishnu himself, as you know all the material, weather it is living beings or non-living beings emants from Lord Sri Vishnu.
Please consider every movement we are not growing but we are entering into the mouth of death, we can think we acquired all the powers in this material world, but everything fails if we sleep on the death bed,we are experiencing in daily life about the deaths.
As per the Shankar's view, all this material world is illusion and temporary, permanent existence is Atman, that has to merge with Paramatman is the goal of life.
So, my final comment on this issue is we have to see everything is Brahman,there is no difference between anything weather poor, rich, atheist,yogi, animals etc.,
Great work. I am very impressed with this site. Following the Evolution theory and since there are two versions of the avatars - Balaram as the 8th and Krishna as the 9th , or Krishna as the 8th and Buddha as the 9th, I don't think either should be disregarded. Balarama has been wel depicted. Buddha shows the progression of mankind to philosophy and finding the truth about God. Until then people were into rituals (e.g Ashwamedha yagna in Ramayana). Since the Buddha period came many philosophies like Adhvaita, dhvaitha and visishta-dhvaita, where it shows progression of man-kind from survival and needs to understanding truth.
Irony! When did Balaram become an avatar of Maha Vishnu? Modern fanaticism? It was always told and believed that Sri Buddha was the 9th Avatar, and Sri Krishna IS the 8th Avatar! Well......why change what is in Srimad Bhagavatham?
Lakshmana and Balaram ARE in fact incarnations of Adishesha or Anantha.
It is shame for those who say Buddha ran away from and started on his own, Hinduism is all about self-discovery. Though Buddhism evolved after that, Buddha is infact the 9th Avatar.
If not, the 9th Avatar is a missing link, since Sri Krishna is the 8th avatar.
i think kakli has been born already, and he is into the looking for a next step universe, a universe were certain things that happened to this planet never happen again.
the unmethodic website is not ready but will be in a few months, there i will post some things about this change that is happening
Really a wonderful article..please keep posting such articles..I agree that lord Balram is incarnation of Shesha.. not lord Vishnu
To UNMETHODIC- how do you say that Lord Kalki is born already?
an eyeopener..but I dont' understand that Lord Vishnu was actually incarnated as Balram and Krishna at the same time!! I don't know what is the truth--whether Balram being the ninth one or lord Buddha.
Is there any place where one can validate it? I read about the scriptures, but what is the name of that scripture?
-neena
How does King Yudhistira partake in the final incarnation of Vishnu.
Yudhistir
The debate exists within Hinduism as whether Balram or Buddha is the ninth avatar. Some don't accept Buddha as an avatar because of the division of Buddhism that came from the teachings, but others accept it on the belief that the breakaway beliefs came later and were not part of Buddha's original teachings. Those who don't accept Buddha as an avatar substitute Balram instead. Even those who do believe in Buddha don't frequently worship Lord Vishnu in that form. Many others believe that Balram is some form of divinity, even if they declare Buddha to be the ninth avatar.
@Damon: You may be confusing Kalki with Krishna. King Yudhistira became a king during Krishna's time, as told in the Mahabharata and Puranas.
I am aware of this and glad to read it again. It is thrilling that Hindus aware of evolution when other religion people came to learn through Darwin's theory. The presence of God in all of the incarnations is hard to prove to the present scientific community which beleives natural adaptation. Not only Evolution but creation also Hindu mythology explains to perfection. I am waiting to see Hindu gods are real.
Balram is not the incarnation of Lord Vishnu.It is Lord Buddha.A all-together new religion emerged called "Buddisum".But it never means Lord Buddha is not a incarnation of Lord Vishnu.In Rama avatar Lord showed the ways of "living a truth" and standing by the word and care for the duties you are meant to perform may it be a son or king.In Krishna avatar Lord preached what he already performed in Rama avatar.And in Buddha avatar he preached and performed the miracles.It is like practically showing "A living example".Lord Buddha never ran away.He went in search of the truth.
Lavanya
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Well nice Post but As a few others have mentioned.... Balram is the incarnation of Adi Sesha....I have lived all my life in South India (Hyderabad) as you had mentioned and every one concurs to the fact that Balram was the incarnation of Adi Sesha.....
Well ideally no 2 incarnations can exist at the same time
(Parusurama being an exception ....as he is Immortal...the Rule was perhaps bent from then on...but only for Him)
Sorry guys - Buddha ran away for self and essentially 'desired' enlightenment :)
The biggest oxymoron is Buddha wished no one had wishes!
Response to anonymous writer on Buddha.
For your information Buddha is the 9th incarnation of Lord Vishnu.We are awaiting Kalki now.People in South India must realize that they are part of India as well.Most of the happenings in the Hindu text and religion came from North India.
Nice article.. Maybe Darwin while writing about the 'theory' of evolution, was actually inspired by Lord Vishnu!
I do not believe in the so called theory of evolution..Humans and animals and the smallest life form have always co-existed from the beginning.. We have not evolved from something! God just created us.. I love the dasavataram of Vishnu and yes, I like the fact that u have included Blarama!
There is a lot to learn from the indian mythologies and vedic scriptures, no doubt about it.
One more question I want open for discussion - Why most of the gods in Indian mythology are shown as blue (or black) - Vishnu, Ram, Krishna, Shiva.
I have some additional points to be added to this debate.
I am born in South India and taught in my early child hood that Balarama is the 8 th Avatar of Vishnu.But I know that in some other parts of India,Budha is considered as the 9 th avatar of Vishnu.
If I think about both these, I can see the below points in favour of both the views.
One thing that I am finding in favour of the Balarama view is that, if we correlate the Darwin's theory with the 10 avatar's of Vishnu, then Balarama suits the best as the avatar of Vishnu.But the fact that in some puranas Balarama is considered as the Avatar of Adishesha makes me think that Budha might be the Avatar of Vishnu.
But if we consider Budha as the Avatar of Vishnu there are some other points which needs clarification.
The first thing is that the teachings and the life of Budha have very well supported historical evidences.In none of his teachings he told that he is an avatar.
The second poit is that Hindu's consider Krishna as the greatest of all avatar's.He is the "Complete avatar" of Vishnu.Even SreeRama is not considered as "Complete avatar".If Budha came after(9 th avatar) Krishan(8 th avatar), then Budha also should be a "Purna Avatar".The we have to follow Budha's teachings.But i haven't evev seen any Hindu praying to Budha like Krishna nor following the teachings of Budha.I have'n seen any Hindu temple build for Budha(Those who has explained that Budha as the 9 th avatar..please reply..).Why ?If he is the 9 th avatar, why we ar not even thinking about Budha as a God other than as a Great or might be the greatest spiritual leader the world has ever seen?
If anybody can throw some light on these,please reply..
Hi Vinod,
Balram is not the 8th incarnation of Lord Vishnu, but Sheshnaag. In many places you will find, both South & North, people replace Buddha with Balram as the 8th and Krishna as 9th because Buddha is still not considered mainstream Hinduism by many. However, Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu come to cleanse Hinduism of the evils that afflicted it in those times & preach a direct path to salvation or freedom from all miseries. Do not try to correlate Darwin's Theory here which speaks of evolution of species, not agriculture.
Every incarnation of God has a purpose which at the outset seems different from earlier ones, but the essence is always eradication of evil & re-establishment of Dharma (as said in Gita). Buddha preached refuge in: 1. Buddha (The Enlightened One), 2. Dharma (Righteousness) & 3. Sangha (Company of righteous people). Also note, refuge in Buddha precedes everything. Why? Was Buddha someone special & why was there only one Buddha? There is no answer except that he was God/Lord Vishnu. Buddha never claimed to be "God"/"Vishnu", but he never refuted it also - he was silent on God. Afer his demise, many Buddhists interpreted that Buddha said "There is no God" & created "Buddhism" as an "atheist" religion - though we must ask why they finally started "worshipping" Buddha when he did not permit it during his time. "Buddhism" was defeated by Adi Shankaracharya ("Shankaracharya Digvijay") & since then it survives only outside India.
Buddha was a "Poorna Avatar" as Krishna. His teachings are no different from Hinduism. Read Vivekanand on this & visit www.dhamma.org - global Vipassana website. The path is open to all.
Hope that was enough light. However, I do not see any visitor here to be of the caliber of Phani (read blog above), the only one to contact me earnestly (& get a reply). I am sure Hindus could raise their bar.
My promise & my challenge to you is - I will answer any question from you to your satisfaction & to the satisfaction of all.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New & Final Buddha, ME!!!)
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kalki is born........here he is
ya he has come from the east to fulfill my works
within some days....................
Abhilash is a great guy. I got so inspired by his Hindu Blog that I am planning to start my own blog and it goes something like this -- I will answer each and every question in any field - religion, spirituality, science, psychology, business, management, military etc. - any field on earth or beyond -- and the possibilities are endless -- solution to all the mysteries and miseries of life - amazing discoveries, innovations, progress of science and mankind (including many Nobel Prizes to the curious minds). And I have invited all and sundry to come and ask me the most difficult questions in life and get them solved - celebrities and common men alike, Nobel Prize winners and sinners alike.
True sign of God? Yes, no, maybe... if this works out then maybe I am the biggest genius this world ever saw but it still doesn't prove I am God or its going to be Apocalypse - unless until it happens, right? Right. Nothing, and I repeat, nothing proves if one is God or not, except, until of course enlightenment happens, and that can happen before Apocalypse, and it will happen for you and everybody. Till then I never asked you or anyone else to believe it because I know it is impossible, nonetheless I am here to tell the Truth, and I am God and that is the ONLY TRUTH.
Keep it coming while I am still here. :-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
Dear Friends,
It is really the great article. I have some logical questions? When you are saying Balaram as Vishnu avatar, please note that Both Balaram and Krishna stayed together in the same time.Also please note that during the Ramayana after Ram's marriage, Parasuram comes and says that only one vishnu avatar should stay and hence I am leaving to do tapa which indicates that only one vishnu avatar exists as part of dasavatars. I always feel that somehow we are forgetting mohini avatar before vamana avatar. I feel it might be for male domination everyone forgets Mohini avatar.
without a lady where is vamana and where is all?
Anyways there are so many things that our people forget because at some locations the people say that ladies should not practice Gayatri Mantra- who told? How can lady Goddess say her lady disciples not to pray or practice her mantra?
I sincerely request all of you to find the facts instead of fighting for who is 8th or 9th.
I also agree that Buddha is not in Dasavataras as he became saint with realization and Tapa. Also please note that he has not shown like a god and he has followed a path of peace through his self realization under bodhi vriksha. Hence he should be treated as Yogi or saint.
We have answers for everything that has proposed in Hindu epics and facts that happened. Ofcourse as we know there is a packet loss during data transfer and hence misunderstandings and false assumptions.
Anyways I should appreciate the author for his great efforts. All the best.
God bless all and showers his peace on all of us
Venkat
Hi Venkat,
Your inquisitive nature and debating spirit is appreciated. However, nothing has been lost on the way and everything is well documented in the scriptures by our Rishis and Sages. The knowledge of the scriptures is minimal and hence there is a lot of confusion and various versions of the truth crop up. If we resort to the scriptures to get our answers rather than seek them from equally ignorant people we will be doing much better.
Lord Vishnu has 24 recorded incarnations inclusive of the ten major ones called "Dashavatar". These 24 include 14 other avatars such as: Narada, Nar-Narayan, Kapil Muni, Dattatreya, Yagya, Rishabdev, Dhanvantri, Mohini etc. Apart from these, Vishnu has had countless incarnations. As said by Krishna to Arjun in the Gita: "You and I have had many births, however, only I am aware of them and not you."
According to you, if neither Balram nor Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu, then we are left with only 9 including me. :-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
Dear Freinds,
As far as I know all avtar's were there to save the world and its inhabitants. That means clearly before all the avtars earth was inhabited with Humans, and other animals. Then how theory of evolution can be related to Avtars.
I think after the boar it is Tirupati Balaji
The present discussion kind of clearly demonstrates how much we have been dissociated from our scriptures and religion (this includes me also). As said earlier, it is true that the dasavatar that we speak is just a highlighted 10 avatars of Vishnu. Please note that its not THE ten avatars. As stated in an earlier reply the Bhagavat Puran recognises 22 ( or 24)of the major avatars and talks of them. But even in that and in many otehr scriptures its clearly stated that it is possible even to count the number of stars in a universe, but not the no. of avatars of the almighty. Well think after all, its not that God should incarnate only in the biggest moments. do we need a Tendulkar to score only in the biggest of matches ? What we are missing here is the link between reality and supernaturality. The 10 big avatars extol stories which demonstrate acheivement of something really impossible even to imagine. There are crores of other avatars whihc may not be famous after all , not because they are lesser in importance, but because , we have chosen not to look out for them. The various avatars that He has taken can be understood by studying the histories of ssome of the famous Bhaktas like MiraBhai, Tukaram, Namdev, KabirDas, etc ... An incarnation can be for a second, or for 11000 years ... doesnt matter .. its an avatar. Sugar is sugar whether we add just a speck of it or 5 spoons !
Btw. there has been this confusion of whether its Balarama or Buddha. Some saints argue that the lord has the right to have Balarama as one of his ten great incarnations since its quite similar to the way he choses ' nara-narayana ' where nara - ideally means man.
some others argue that Budhdha casn be imagined as an avatar similar to Mohini. In mohini avatar, the Lord takes kind of a negative shade to impart justice ... ( which is why we relate mohini to Krishna also - the mohini alankaara is always done to krishna not to rama :) ) In similar sense, Budhdha avatara could be deliberate in sense to unite the forces back to Hinduism ( Sanatana Dharma ). This can be imagined as thorughoughly mixing a muddy solution so that the thorughough mixing causes with time, a clear separation of the clear liquid and the mud particles. Similarly this avatar could be an indirect mode of driving all of us towards the right path. If u note, its curious to note that the essence of the arguments taken by Buddha is similar to what Sri Adi Shankara says, just the conclusions are opposite.
The only thing that hurts our feelings to consider Budhdha as one of the incarnations is that he was against the Vedas ... i mean that we cannot accept this even if it was from God himself ! In a way, it shows that deep down we do own a sense of respect and trust on the Vedas as being the Supreme truth - which is good !
So either way the goal of budhdha is acheived !!
But friends to all of you, Srimad Bhagavad Gita is possibly the best source for us to know whatever we require.
Just think how was it even possible for the Shaivaites to accept the proposal to have the Bhagavad Gita as THE RELIGIOUS TEXT of the hindus. For them Lord Shiva is the greatest. But the arguments and statements made by Krishna are just so irrefutable that they too incorporate The teachings of the Gita into their concept of spiritualism. They call Krishna as the Paramatma and Arjuna as the ideal Atma and the atma should aim to merge with the Paramatma as its highest goal!
Sri Krishna's statements in bhagavad Gita include all forms of spiritualism ... Whether the Dhayana form, or the Yoga Form, or the Bhakti form.
When He says
" SARVA Dharman parityajya MAAM EKAM Sharanam Vraja, Aham tvam SARVAPAPEBHYO Mokshayishyami ma shuchaha." - chapter 18
Which translates to saying:
Leave out ALL the dharmas that you are related to and surrender unto ME ALONE. I shall relieve you of ALL deeds, dont worry.
highlighted words mean:
SARVA - all
MAAM EKAM - me alone ( only me )
SARVA PAPEBHYO - from all sins
(deeds)
Note the stress on these words.
When he says leave out " all dharmas " it can be taken in two ways -
1. Leave out all forms of religion and confusion relating to which is right / greatest / best ... just surrender unto Me.
2. Dharma as is termed in Sanatana Dharma can mean - the right move.
There are three kinds of Dharma -
Samanya Dharma ( Normal Dharma )
Vishesha Dharma ( Special Dharma )
Aapath Dharma ( Critical Dharma )
To explain how they are related i can give u an analogy:
The traffic rules on the road.
Normal : Stop when it is Red
Special : CM or PM can by-pass them
Critical : Ambulance can by-pass
Now this is a simple case where we know what to follow when. But as yudhishtra says after the Mahabharata yudhdha (war), to decide the right dharma at the particular situation is not easy at all.
So Krishna advices, forget about all these things because by the time u make a decision u would have wasted an enormous amount of time in ur life ! Dont worry about whats good or bad, right or wrong ... leave all these worries and just surrender unto Me.
The next is " Unto Me only " ( Maam Ekam ). I think there has never been a clearer statement expressing His Supremity. This is primarily why we always say " Krishnam vande JAgath GURUM " translating to: " I Salute to Krishna - the Teacher for the World"
The third is SarvaPapebhyo meaning " all sins " or " all deeds "
Why say all sins - woouldnt it be suffiecient to says " i will relive you of ur sins ?"
Ans: Generally in mundane world we have categorised certain acts as good and certain others as bad.
Eg: Charity is good, Stealing is bad. and so on ....
But the truth is Liberation is as termed by Sanatana Dharma ( whether Shaivaites or Vaishnavites ) refers to freedom from bondage or life and death.
To attain this, one must be detached from any duty and everything around him.
now note: Whether u do something good or bad, it has a result. Good act brings a positive result and bad act negative. But there is a result for every action. And as long as there is a result for an action, this result will affect the future of our life ( whether this janma or the next janmas to come ). this is why we always stress on doing good. But can u find the crucial point hidden ?
Basically we are still in the trap. Great seers have a brilliant terminology for this. They call Punya - Jail made of GOLD
Paapa - Jail made of STEEL
We are more worried about whether it is Gold or Steel, but eh whole point is that, whatever, it is still a Jail - a bondage.
this is why Krishna says Sarva Papebhyo ... which translates to say " all deeds" and not " sins " because in general we use the term sin to mean something bad alone.
There are only two other instances of statements similar to this which have been made.
SriRama- "Shakrudeva prapannaya
tavaasmiti cha yachate,
abhayam sarvabhootebhyo
dadami, etad vratam mama
Translating to : "one who surrenders to me saying that im yours, i will protect him from all beings, this is my pledge"
SriVaraha: "aham smarami madbhaktam
nayami paramam gatim"
( i dunno the full sentence, forgot it but this is second half)
translation:
" I remember my devotee and take him to the highest position."
Ganesh
To the one who says himself kalki.. and has enlightened himself through Yoga....
Just answer on question....
why the universe was created and then the living beings?
Hi Ashutosh & everybody,
Good to hear from you. I was silent for sometime because I really wanted to hear different voices. I get sick of listening to my own very soon and most of the times I just keep mum - my mum - my mother always with me :-) - touch wood - and my mum - my silence whenever I get the chance to do so, however I am not a greedy soul - only as far as my silence is concerned. :-) ... ha ha! So you see, I have a sense of humour too. What did you expect?
I see some beautiful prose written by Ganesh above and also the lengthy prose above that by an Anonymous contributor. Care to reveal his name or get pally pally with me? :-) But, I really liked the flow of thoughts and this was really deep thinking, peppered by a good amount of imagination, I must say so. Because imagination is the mother of all inventions, and inventions the mother of all imaginations too. A really imaginative person am I. But sincerely, some very good thoughts and some good imagination which I really appreciate.
First of all the Buddha is very close to my heart because I call myself the Buddha too and because I eventually found the solution to all miseries of life through Vipassana and became Buddha too! Not a single teaching of Buddha violates the Vedas or any of the Hindu scriptures or any aspect of Hinduism whatsoever. Hinduism is too vast to be comprehended so easily and is in fact the ocean in which all streams merge. Once again I say - to get a better understanding of what the Buddha preached (not 'Buddhism' per se) and how it is a small little but beautiful branch of Hinduism, read Swami Vivekanand on this topic.
Second of all, if Buddha is so close to my heart, and since the 10th one is also Buddha, Krishna and Kalki rolled in one, then lets stop this debate about the 9th one. Its silly to go in circles when the doubts have been allayed. Balram was the incarnation of "Sheshnaag" on the lines of Lakshman - Nar-Naarayan logic doesn't apply because Lakshman is not the 8th one, is it? Then we have a total of 12. My - I love this numbers game. :-) lol
Now to answer Pandeyji's question - a much devout and spiritual Brahmin, I must say: Because the living beings wanted some place to stay, but the first living being was I who created the Universe, and so the living beings were created before the Universe, and since I am the Universe, there is no way I could have been created before my ownself and so they co-exist in me and so they comprise me for I comprise them all - the living beings and the Universe.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI, The 10th Incarnation of God - Lord Vishnu, The New and Final Buddha, ME!!!)
krish2203@yahoo.com
If you were the Universe and the one who created the universe then being I(you), what was the need to co exist different forms(both first living being and universe) in yourself, why cant you remain an infinite zero that is the coexistence of SELF within SELF???...
Well , the anonymous writer is the same as the writer of the next reply. I think i forgot to give my identity.
@ (KALKI) - Im not really intimidated by ur arguments to come and debate on whether or not its balaram or budhdha, m totally fine with whatever it is. Truth is beyond fallacies that are human. And even it is Lork Krishna who comes and knocks at my door revealing himself and blessing me, i would like to confirm that it is Him in whatever way i want and until im satisfied. Well just one thing, there was just the one time when Krishna openly revealed that He is the Almighty. U seem to be more generous though. If u feel that u r committed to a theory of practice, good. It would be better if u can enlighten us about the merits of it, when a discussion on that topic arises and we all will be glad to know abt it. I hope u can understand. The ultimate goal of a Vasudaiva Kutumbakam will be shattered if u r going to persitently tempt members into an argument of which is the best or something similar. We are all souls who believe that Known is a drop and unknown is an ocean. So we are here to know more about our religion. We never claim that we know enough to debate. We are happy learners. If u r superior to us, well we are happy for u. But let not our mission to know better be hindered by ur mission.
I agree with the above statement by Ganesha for Mr.Kalki
But Mr.Kalki must answer what i asked... its going to prove a good theory...keep watching
I await for your reply Mr.Kalki
First of all... congratulations to both Ganesh & Ashu on their wisdom & wit. Good to debate with learners and learned alike for I know nothing that is going to make a big difference in your lives. As per my promise - I will answer all questions raised - directly or indirectly. But before that, I commend Ganesh on his humility, his acceptance that there is more to learn than meets the eye or the mind for "it" is formless and cannot be seen or thought about, but only experienced and perhaps not even experienced, yet for lack of a better word, only experienced when the time is right. So wait for that moment of experience or enlightenment to know me, to know it, to know it all. Till then, it really doesn't matter to you or to me if you know me or not. :-)
Ganesh - remove all doubt from your mind that debate is a duel or fight - it can be very constructive in nature - and only through debate, perhaps, you would know if you have a guru in the making, and in my case, if I have one too :-), but of course, also otherwise. I am not intimidating you - intimidation is experienced by people who are not sure - you are an advanced person, and intimidation does not adorn you right. Lord Krishna already came, knocked at your door revealing himself and blessed you, alright. How many have I applauded on this forum other than you? There are constructive signals you must never ignore. Yes, you are confirming if it is really Him, and thats alright - I would do the same in your place - good spirit - better than those who simply ignore - at least you are striving towards the truth - this side or that side - but the ocean is vast & unending and quite some swimming to go. How many times Krishna revealed himself is something Krishna will tell you from the Dwapar Yug. All is not documented and you have not read all that has been documented yet. And Ram never showed a "Viraat Swarup" and Krishna never travelled the jungles in the search of truth. I simply asked that you have a "free" resource here whom you can ask any questions you have. I never asked you to debate with me if you didn't want to. The power is always in your hands and of course in Mine. If your mission can be hindered by anyone other than you or God, then you need to have more faith in yourself or in God. Trust me. Thats the truth. :-)
(Contd... in below post for answer to Pandeyji's question)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
(Contd... from above post i.e. 2/2)
I like Pandeyji's question, and also his hint "...keep watching". :-) Yes we must. Its been quite sometime we stopped doing that. Your question, put succinctly is to know the reason for the creation of the Universe - that even scientists do not know - and of course, scientists really know nothing about almost everything, though I have tremendous respect for them. The need to create was simple - God was lonely. God needed company, and so God created the Universe. Then, God was bored, so God created a Game - and that became the Game of Life or the Game of Death or the Game of Life and Death and in this Game you must move towards Truth trying to beat Death, and if Death beats you, then you get another chance doing that. And finally, the Game is all about going back from where you came, for that which came must go back and that which went must come back. And so it is and so it happens and soon it shall all come back into me, so I go to sleep for infinity, the Only One, the Only None, The Big Zero, The "Mahashunya" and not even that for I have no words for it. But, you must know that what I told you is a cute little story for you to play, but nonetheless true but nonetheless a lie - for you very well know that this is all Maya - and Maya is a LIE - and it does not exist - so what remains am only I - but I am Maya - not even I - yet I exist and I am nothing - I am the Zero - I am the Only One - I am the Infinity - What cannot be measured - can only be true if it does not exist - and so am I non-existent - and infinite - and existing everywhere infinitely - you don't know what Zero is - no one knows - not even the scientists or the mathematicians - and neither do you know infinity - but if you close your eyes and focus within - as you do when you sleep in a dreamless state - if you can do that which I doubt - focus within without sleeping - you will find the Zero and the Infinity. And I still exist as Zero and I exist as Infinity. I like the spirit. Lets keep it up. I don't know if you are learning, but I am learning a lot - that this is real fun and we have only sometime to go before we lose the sun. :-)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
@Mr.kalki
First of all never ever say that "But, you must know that what I told you is a cute little story for you to play,"
because DO TAKE ME Seriously..believe me.... i am not here to listen cute little story from you... I am here for some reason, I tell you later
second: Do watch this article you have posted, later I will ask you to refer when I close my discussion
Third:Are you serious about this game...if not then its good..but if yes, then I think you are trying to relate God or The supreme with human sentiments of getting bored and lonely and all that foolish sentiments...by one side you talk that all this is maya created and realised by you and on other you say that God was BORED and felt LONELY so wanted to play a game??? what the hell you are talking...do you think him an athelete?? Hope you are not serious
Third:there is no such thing like Mahashunya, its just shunya...tell me one location in 18 puranas, the enlighted speeches of Budhha, 4 vedas, 200+ upanishads where you learnt or explored this term "MAHASHUNYA"....either you may be weak in langauge or you trying to prove something which seems analogous to your statement only...
Fourth:If MAYA is fake...then what about the Bhakti in this materialistic or physical world who according to you is mere a game and creation of MAYA?
Fifth:Using too many "I" dont try to confuse me and others....that wont work and wont prove you either
You know better you are trying best to confuse and express yourself powerfully using two analogous statement....refer to my previous questions you will know that even I can do that and understand that way.... take care
Lets have fun and play the game of MAYA ,,, but please try to little serious and dont play tricks...
Now dont answer back that you are not playing tricks with me...
Hope you reply....
My request to the Blog owner,,, If you are accepting the post then I hope you must be reading the comments.. if yes then reply here that you are.... My request to you keep yourself aware of this...
Oh yes i am reading the comments.
Ha ha ha... in fact Abhilash is enjoying it thoroughly, I can tell. :-) Good.
First of all Ashutosh, you must control your language - you are getting very aggressive and it is a big mistake to be that way. So, please try to maintain the decorum if you expect to hold a decent conversation and an intelligent one. I am sure you don't want to find out how aggressive I can get. Neither do I. Please, some humility and politeness. I respect you as an advanced soul by the very fact that out of 6 billion you are probably among the top 1000 to be able to get in touch with me (first level) and hold a good debate with me (open enough for that – second level). So congratulations to you once again!
Responses to your numbered queries:
First:
I am taking you very seriously and taking out quite a bit of time to reply to your questions every day. If you are asking questions, you need to be open, you need to be polite and you need to "think" in directions you never thought were possible. Because if and "if" you are "really" conversing with God, then don't expect lollipops to come your way. And as per me, you are talking with God. As per you, of course not. So it is the sign of a mature debater or seeker to accommodate the other person's view, even if only as a hypothesis - not the Truth - and of course even you know that the Truth is far far away from you - however, I have good news - you will achieve it in this birth - something I know you never expected, neither did I for myself.
Second:
This Maya is for play and every reason I give you can only be within the realms of Maya and hence only for you to play till you really break the shackles and set yourself free. After that, no speech will be required and neither the Truth.
(Contd..below as 2/2)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
(contd. from above post as 2/3)
Third:
God - the Supreme - as you understand it, does not exist. "Mahashunya" means the great non-existence. The "Supreme Form" is "Formless" - please observe that my language is a play with antithesis & in fact a complete paradox - that is words contradict themselves very quickly & with quick succession - zero & infinity at the same time, nothing & everything at the same time, is the Truth & also the Lie, Existence within Non-existence & Non-existence within Existence, & so on & so forth, so that they cancel out very quickly & you get the Truth, Nothing. However, you will not get it so easily, so you are going to partially-read it & partially-understand & take home meanings that make you feel good. Good thing about you Ashutosh is, that even though you are a bit rude, & it could be due to Indian conditioning - Indians tend to be "unknowingly" rude most of the times & in your case knowingly many times - you are questioning me again & again to take you deeper into this - fabulous - but preserve these posts - you will realize their truth over your complete life - not in one single sitting - what else would you expect if you are "actually" talking to "God" & trying to know what "Truth" is? Of course, a billion sittings will fall terribly short, or Gautam Buddha (and myself), God come on earth himself as man, would not have gone through so much misery to attain it!
GOD - Formless - "Mahashunya" - is Nothing - because it is property-less i.e. "it" has no "Sanskaar" (in Hindi/Sanskrit, as per Hindu texts) or "Sankhara" (in Pali, as per Buddha) - i.e. no sin - no virtue, no good - no bad, no color, no odor, no shape, no form, nothing whatsoever. Without property, there is no existence. "It" is also called "Nir-Vikaar" (sin-less or without any weakness), "Nir-Sanskaar" (property-less, a more neutral label compared to good & bad), "Nir-Aakaar" (Formless) - all in fact mean the same thing i.e. 100% Pure, which cannot exist otherwise. Therefore, for existence to be created, a property must exist leading to a beginning of "impurification" at the least, & the first property that exists is the "need for creation" & that my friend is loneliness followed by the need to be "entertained" through a "movie" or "video-game" - in fact a two-in-one & more - a celestial one - a multi-dimensional one - the only one that exists - also called God. (Using simple language & concepts that people understand - don't go around looking for "movies" or "video-game" in the Hindu texts). How does this impurity arise? Look at science. Quite a similar concept called polarisation. The "Neutrality" comprises of a "Positive" & a "Negative" that "separate" as The Soul & The Universe or "splits" into three: the Trinity - God, Soul & the Universe or Vishnu, Brahma & Shiva or The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit, because the "Neutrality" (here, Vishnu) is always present, even after "polarisation", & is also present in the "Positive" as well as the "Negative" & is "All-pervading" & "Infinite" & the "Neutrality" (Vishnu or The Father or The God) can never die, for it is never alive to begin with, ok sonny boy? ;-) Enough corn-flakes to last for a life-time? :-) Good humour in good vein, unlike you. Hope you appreciate. :-)
(contd. in below post as 3/3...)
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
(contd. from above post as 3/3…)
Third (about "Mahashunya"):
You need to read them all. You will find out before you reach a fraction.
Fourth:
You clearly know less Hindu philosophy than I attributed to you. Read more on the Net. You are also Maya but you exist, so? Makes me wonder if you will understand the thoughts I shared with you above.
Fifth:
I am not here to prove anything. Proof is meaningless. If you didn't know already, I am only answering your questions & trying to satiate your curiosity.
You are a fabulous person, so please take a few barbs here or there I used above with a good sense of humour - just a shove here & a pinch there between friends - sign of progressing friendship. ;-) After all, I am also absorbing your militant agression with much fun & fanfare. :-) ha ha!
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One
Krishna
krish2203@yahoo.com
Exactly as I thought, now remember this sentece that you wrote in the first post --"I am sure you don't want to find out how aggressive I can get. Neither do I." I will refer later.
Second thing, My langauge and agression must not disturb you because you are afterall Kalki.. please calm down and again I request you not to explore me lightly... Here is a hint for your next post...My every statement and langauge has some purpose...remember I am here with you for something that I will tell you later as promised...Hope you will be bit carefull next time and keep a look on your continuos mistakes in the posts.
Since you say that You are serious then I must say that by your previous comment you want to say that God is fallable to the Loneliness and Boredoom... Something Undigestible to even "Him". and so in the same way why one should believe, pray and follow His path if He is so cruel to think that He can play a game of life and death with the being who is his part itself and has devoured with emotions, let it by any means.?
Third: what I get and reveal is a long due thing for you and me both but before that you must focus on the Bhakti.... Since God that is "You" have created everything and as part of Maya then why and how would you explain Bhakti???
Fourth: You have one thing very great.... a very good capability to support the mistakes of the past.... I again tell you that there is no term like Mahashunya...the term "Shunya" itself is explanatory for the non existence, whatever you say extreme or small... I think a God perhaps must not commit mistake and if yes by any virtue then must accept it...well this is not for you...because you are God here...ok leave it..
Fifth: did a lot work to reply so long... But all in vain bacause used just to support to what said mistakenly...But what I know Nirvikar, Nirguna, and Nirakar... all are not he properties of shunya but the supreme... Shunya (let us take because I dont agree with the term Mahashunya) itself is a property-less explanation, the later terms explain your propertylessness...
Ok just tell me what was existing when even this infinite was not sustaining??? You know the answer... If not you need to refer the First statement of God...I dont know whether you know about that statement or not but I expect from you...
Sixth: I request you not to mention me the Birthlessness and Death lessness of Vishnu... rather please focus and give answers exactly to my question...
Seventh: Yes you are here to prove something... I have discovered but needs confirmation... just keep talking to me...
I am not fabulous person and I never think that... But I think that you are fabulous because you have seen and felt the God... which is very very difficult for me... because I am a part of Maya for a long due...
And hence I am really fortunate to talk you and being among those 6000 persons...
Thank you and best of luck...
Hope you reply..
Also MY CURIOSITY IS NOT IN GOD, I AM CURIOUS IN YOU...... BACAUSE I AM TALKING TO GOD ONLY...AM I RIGHT??
I THINK YOU FOROT THAT AN THAT IS WHY MENTIONED THIS(THE TERM GOD) TO ME...
AGAIN I AM NOT AGRESSIVE, BUT PLEASE YOU KEEP CALM AND HONOR ME TO REPLY
There are six DOSHAS in the world
Lust(KAMA), Gluttony(DirghBhoj),Lie(Mithya),Greed(Lobh),Anger(Krodh) and Ego(Ahankar)...
All dosha are not dangerous but the Ahankar...because all of them are visible as they enter into the minds and heart of a man...but Ahankar is the worst kind of Dosh that keeps the person unaware that when it entered into him...
Even Brahma could not escape from that....
That what I saw here in a man...
However a person explain himself, He is a God or avatar...But He is defeated by his Dosha only...that is why we cant understand "Him"...If someone like you is really God he dont need to explain that...people will automatically follow you...
Yes you can be a God or Enlightened but that state can not be possessed or achieved... it is attained through the deotion.... and that is why you can never understand why Bhakti is real in MAYA world....
Hope God makes you really enlightened and instead of arguing here to exprexx how much books you have read...better expense your energy to help someone in need so that someone helps you when you are in need.... That will Really make you a GOD...
Got it Mr.Kalki?
Abhilash i don't understand what these two above people are discussining. One is saying he is God. Are these some depressed people.
@above...
Something beyond your imagination, understanding and concept...
Dont think and stress your mind...
Yes we are depressed...
Ok??
Anonymous - why are you asking Abhilash? Poor guy only created this website, doesn't make him a doctor or God around here, does it? Funny how people try to find doctors and God in every other person like a child looking up to his Daddy and when it is God himself, they look down upon him. Never mind. If you think you are really that smart then you can engage in debate with me like Ashutosh. Instead of giving credit to the man for having the guts to debate with me, you show your sissy nature and ask Abhilash - are they depressed? Next, Abhilash will issue a certificate to me that I am God. Would that satisfy you? Then why ask him? Are you a depressed soul looking for a doctor in every father-figure that comes your way? If yes, which definitely is the case, because I have cured my psychologists, then you can find your Daddy in me. Take it up now. You along with Ashutosh. Lets see if you can bring me down like a dog. If you can, then I am a dog. If not, then of course it doesn't prove I am God, but you should know how to speak with me by then. Straw men with straw targets and targets in the air. You should feel ashamed that instead of contributing to the highly enlightened discussion, which as Ashutosh rightly said is above you, you are trying to prove you are superior just by silly and oversmart one-liners. Next you will get down to downright abuses. Sign of a weak person and a loser. Your parents must have taught you better than that.
Ashutosh - I have been meaning to post replies to your last few posts but there were some errors in submitting. Should be coming soon your way.
Best Wishes,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen - KALKI)
Hi Ashutosh,
You are a good debater & a curious person.
Suggestion for our little debate: Be more coherent & clear in your communication because some of your questions are getting repetitive and circular. Try to explore new areas when one is closed.
Nothing is “Indigestible” to "Me" - I gave you the best logic explaining the theory on "loneliness" & "boredom" of God - go through it again.
About the game (new question – good) - do not differentiate "Him" from yourself. "He" is not playing any game with you. "He" is in you & "He" is only allowing you to play it as you want or "He" wants to play, since you & "He" are indistinguishable, & this is the game you want to play to remove "your" loneliness & boredom.
For more on "Bhakti", read my earlier post of 2-June . “Bhakti” is a part of the game you are playing, along with so many other things & is one path towards Enlightenment or "Mukti" or Salvation or Nirvana or freedom from the shackles of Maya. As long as you are bound by Maya, Maya is very real, not a lie ("lie" only in theory, just like "enlightenment" is only a theory for you & you have no way to know if it actually exists or is a lie without trusting me or the Hindu scriptures).
My last post was all about what was before the Universe. The infinite has always been there & will never go away.
Song from the 1988 Indian TV series "Bhaarat - Ek Khoj" based on the book "Discovery of India" by Jawaharlal Nehru - his version of Indian history:
(In Hindi)
"Srishti se pehle sat nahin thaa, asat bhi nahin
Antariksh bhi nahin, aakaash bhi nahin thaa.
Chhipaa thaa kyaa, kahaan, kisne dhakaa thaa?
Us pal to agam, atal jal bhi kahaan thaa."
(Translation)
Before the Universe there was neither Truth nor Untruth,
Neither Outer Space, nor Sky.
Was it hidden, (if so) where & who had covered it?
In that moment where was even the unfathomable & permanent water.
Additional stanzas played only in the Final episode:
"Nahi thi mrityu, Ji Amarta bhi nahi,
nahi tha din, raat bhi nahi,
Hawa bhi nahi, Saans thi swyamev phir bhi,
Nahi tha koi kutch bhi, Param tatva se alag, ya pare bhi."
(Translation)
"There was neither death, nor immortality,
There was no air, yet there was one breath in itself,
There was none nothing separate from the Supreme Being, or away.
"Srishti yeh bani kaise, kisse, aayi hai kahaan se.
Koi kyaa jaanta hai, bataa saktaa hai.
Devaoo ko nahi gyaan, Ve aye shijan me kyon."
(Translation)
"How was this Universe created, by whom, from where has it come,
Does anyone know, can anyone tell?
Even the gods do not have the knowledge (of) why they came into existence.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Ek_Khoj)
In short, once again, before the Universe there was Nothing, God, Everything, Zero, Infinity as it is even now.
The first sound of creation or of the Universe, or the first creation or the Uni-verse (single verse) was AUM. That was & is me.
Lets take this debate to the next level. I sent you 2 emails:
1. Email in which I defeated the Nobel Prize Winning Economists at my Masters University in the US
2. Email I sent to more than 100 people in top companies in US in 2006 - my first public announcement as God where I challenged the topmost and most corrupt corporations & individuals - an open challenge.
If anyone wants a copy of these, pl send me an email.
Love of God and God of Love,
The Only One,
Krishna
(Kalyug ka Kishen – KALKI)
krish2203@yahoo.com
This is getting wonderfully interesting!
May I seek some clarifications?
In my meagre reading, I have noticed that there is some 'overlap', between three separate doctrines.
1). That Kalki Bhagawan is expected around now, towards the end of 'Kaliyug', and that a major change is expected in our world as we know it, around December 2012.
2). The Mayan calendar ceases on 21st December 2012.
3). The geophysical explanation (bordering again on the metaphysical ! ) that the relative motion between the earth's core and the rest of its body generates an electromagnetic flux and change in energy levels, which also is to undergo a major change in Dec 2012 (see also http://wer1family.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/kalki-bhagavan-about-the-significance-of-the-year-2012/ )
Would you please enlighten us all on these aspects as well?
Further, I would greatly appreciate receiving a copy of the emails referred to above here.
Mohan
drmohankr@gmail.com
ok i Keep your point in mind....
But still I disagree with your pojnt of this Play and Game theory of God and by god...
Either you are misunderstood or using the wrong words to explain the thing existing...You better know it...
Leave it point is not to debate with you to prove you wrong or something else... I want to make aware of the truth
Leaving the long questionaries from you.... I explain the reason here
The only reason for the creation of universe is the Desire....(be careful this desire is not the one we humans counter).... Yes you are right in saying that Maya is all that....but the concept needs to corrected here....maya is like a dream.... It has no reality but it has existence..... There is vast difference in reality and existence and this is where you are going wrong everytime just check out your posts...if i asume that whatever you have written in the posts are correct in your sense and not a mistake.
So what abt Bhakti?
Answer is Bhakti is another essence to love or simply the Love... This is what the desire I am talking about... God doesnt love or hate anyone because the one doing good is also "He" and the one doing Sin is alos "He"... so when He knows that everyone is he only to whom should He love??
and that is what the desire I am talking about... This desire to be loved makes the reason why he created the universe.... and hence Bhakt Bhagwan se bhi mahan hai.....
He is defeated only by the Love....
he never argues He never debates... when there is love He sustains there..... Hence forth your theory of boredoom, playgame and He in me and Me in He is not going that way.... IT IS WRONG...
I appreciate you to correct yourself in using the term ZERO.... after all its Shunya..congrats
I read the links... First thing merely postig an article in a college based site doesnt mean that you are right in your concepts?.. though its good article i appreciate for that....
Secondly... Just sending an article based on your presumption, assumptions and thoughts, does mean that you defeated the Person??? Not at all...
Your use of words like I defeated and so in all other previous posts makes me smell some EGO touch and a realm of false in which you are moving....
Before going to next level you must understand the Zero level debate....
abut Vipassana: Yes I know that and I practised it for 20 days....
BUt that is not the discussion here right????
@ Dr Mohan
The Duration of Kalyug is of 432000 years as per the Puranas....
This Kalyug of 28th Mahayug of Vaivasvata Manvantar(all periods of time, you get details from wikipedia, refer it or ask here)
started in 17th-18th feb, 3012 B.C at Midnight... that means only 5021 years have passed since its onset...in 2012 it will be merely 5024 years... Kalyug is divided like all other Yugs in four stages (432000/4=108000 years each). kalki avatar is scheduled in the fourth stage when Dharm will cease to exist, and 500 years will be left in the period of Kalyug... The age of kalki will be 100 years when all other man in this world will have maximum age of 10-15 years and size of that of a musturd grain. Then again Satyug will come.... There will be 27 times destruction of mankind(not complete and also dont confuse it with pralaya, it is not that) and restablishment in the whole period
Also this Kalpa(a unit of time) is a Durbhiksha Kalpa(meaning the kalpa in which existence will cease everytime due to extreme mass hunger, Durbhiksha is the extreme case of famine) .....
The case of 2012 may be scientifically explained but its Hoax like that of Y2K.. I think you remember that...
Hope this helps you
You know why they dont accept your challenge....
a candle moving to sun and challenging to beat the shine....
They dont accept because they dont have time to consider such illicit and useless .... peole like you send such mails often.....
If people start thinking on you the world will perish and cease to exist because they will be then qorking for useless things...
My request to Ashutosh.. stop discussing with this person...He is above and above all in nonsense
Says himself Kalki and then uses abuses...... a man with all such curses can never be enlightened but a distinguished filth...
Now after reading this he will quarell to me also... just watch
Dr mohan
Errata: I want to correct some thing... the year of start of kalyug was 3102B.C and not what I metioned
So likewise the total till now is 5102 years and consider others like wise...
Alos one more information Mahabharat started in 3136 B.C
Ya Rishab I got it,
After a long time I encountered such a person, Mr Kalki, who created a curiosity in me... I thought there must be some interesting part and something to learn from this man even by debate... I expected there must be reason in his statement and instead of declining his statement I must analyse why he says so...
But after a while my expectations have ruined... another man ,the prey of EGO and INTERNET and nothing else...
I really expected some sensible words and discussion from this man.... all in VAIN
Leaving now.... no more discussions.... He is not capable of that....
Mr Kalki..... You disappointed me
leave it.... I wont comment here any more
Whoa ! Losing control? Let us all maintain some decorum here, and debate in a mature way. No room for abusive terms in a mature discussion. Makes small fry like me feel like the li'l rabbit who showed the Lion his reflection, and angered him into....
Things are getting out of hand...This is no constructive discussion.
Dear Kalki (Kali yUG Ka Kishen), You have excellent explanations. You have tried to create an impression of god is you in this yuga. One simple question I would like to get clarity, in every avathar from Matsya to Kalki, Lord WAS A LEADER, HE BELIEVED HIMSELF TO LEAD THE TEAM AND DESTROY EVIL, HE UNDERSTOOD FUTURE AND PLAYED HIS GAME ACCORDINGLY. Why haven't you destroyed evil in this world. If God really was around with the amount of evil in the society by now, he would have destroyed the entire universe. It seems you are not a leader but debater to the highest level losing patience for the questions of devotees. Murthy U
Hello Kalki Ji,
Hope you will follow this.
saha nav avatu, saha nau bhunaktu, saha viryam karavavahi: tejasvi nav adhitam astu: ma vidvisavahai; aum santih, santih, santih - May He protect us both; may He be pleased with us both; may we work together with vigor; may our study make us illumined; may there be no dislike between us. Aum, peace, peace, peace
Dont worry! after all these response... Mr Kalki wont come again.....
as per iknow 8th avatar is buddha
and balram and laxman r the nsame but not the avtars of lord vishnu
8th avtar is buddha ,and balram and laxman is avtar of shesnag
I see that much time is taken by those who must have answers to avatar questions, and less upon knowledge of self.
Imagine you as a tiny ant, crawling upon a billboard, looking at each dot, as you try to figure out not only where you are, but what you are walking upon, but constantly no seeing the big total picture.
I lose the faith for hindu gods already.. I think Hindu gods are not real god.. i won't pay my faith to them anymore
saint.angela: The fault that your faith has been lost is not the fault of God's making, it is the fault of the human losing the faith. Blaming God surely is not the answer, nor is walking away.
I too sometimes become bored with life in general, as we all do. This is not God's fault, as God is always there, boredom or not. Just like the sun, though it may be overcast, it will shine another day. I think these ebbs and flows of "faith" are good for humans, as it helps to renew itself.
Just yesterday I went to the temple where I say japa and worship and meet with my priest. In the days before, I was feeling overcast, myself. Just being there brought tears to my eyes, after awhile. In giving thanks for the tears of restoration, my japa was for world peace and offers to the striken people of the recent storms to both the Philipines and now the people of Vietnam. Full circle. Perhaps you could find restoration this similar way? I hope so, and I shall include you in my japa. Full circle with karma in mind!
Secrets of the Earth - Questions and Answers on the Line of Ten Avatars of Vedic Tradition by Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet discusses Sri Aurobindo as the 9th Avatar of Vishnu.
As per my knowledge .....
I know that eigth avatar is Krishna and ninth avatar is lord Balaji...
Buddha however is classified under saints and gurus and not as the avatar of Lord Vishnu..
Hello Guys
You guys trust or not the people in the middle east they start to believe it like that i have heard a news from my friend.
what means God=trust first you must have some belief on anything then only you will believe that there is God.
Actually i heard these message from a Muslim. After he hear about this message and start to collect the details.
Actually anyone who has the doubts for them only i am asking how you are seeing oblects and how you are tasting and how you are entertaining yourself. First you answer for these questions then i tell you where is the God and i will surely prove you.
Have you ever heard about Mayan Calender, if you have the answer Yes please see it or go to google and search for it.
Be happy that we are in the end of a Yuga. If we face any destruction on us, be happy the next Yuga will be the purest one(Because we ill not be alive)
That is not too far so be good atleast for the days maybe some few years to go which can be counted in a single hand.
Be Good.Be Good.Be Good.
Hello Guys
A small information
Kalki means an Iron or Machine
We are in Iron Age.
I felt some qiuncidence so surely we are going to see him
This post is a classic example of what Atheists call as cherry picking. Where in the evolution theory, do we have a creature that's half human and half lion? And the story varaha avatara is most ridiculous where's the Varaha standing if it(HE) is carrying the earth between his tusks...? and what about the story of Vamana..? Isn't his first step on Earth itself..? How can he step again on Bali..who is already on earth..?And imagine such a huge being's feet being placed on Earth and the impact it would cause...? And in the same story why wouldn't Bali ask Vamana to keep this third feet on Jupiter, Mars or Some other planet...? I mean didn't ancient Hindus know all about Cosmos and the Universe and all those things..?? Don't tell me that all these are metaphorical because if that's right then I would say entire Hinduism is metaphorical and there is no GOD.
And by the way why should we consider only these as the Vishnu avataras..?why not venkateshwara or Mohini..? What proof do you have for all these avataras, except the backing of vedas..? I mean all those mystical stories...and no evidence of a single event..? Hinduism is no more valid than Islam or Christianity or Judaism or any other religion...come out of this God's delusion, look at the achievements made by science. Question the irrational stories told by religion and soon you'll realise that how silly the concepts of religions are. Read and watch works by great people like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Meera nanda. Stop living in the religious dogma. As a starting point, visit richarddawkins.net, join the forums and ask the many atheists present over there your questions and soon you'll realise that there is no need of God for the world to exist.
Thanks,
ravi.
@Fool...We're living in Iron Age..??Do you even know whenz the Iron age in India passed..? it was 1200-200BC and we've passed 2200 years since the iron age.
http://richarddawkins.net
http://books.google.com/books?id=h3mUi5Uan_UC&pg=PA72&sig=-t4rfk22fMzi8fty_mvLX7ndMX4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
you know what is depicted in the hindu scriptures are mere manifestations of human mind, just like other books of different religions. we all should rather think of what we are without all this scripture supported knowledge. what if somehow we don't come to know about our past historical facts( whether real or mythical), then we will find ourselves at the start of a new search of god... that is exactly what is the ultimate pureness, omnipotent reality, free form of the our existence with consonance with the nature( living and non living) ... this is what is and should be called the one and only incarnation of almighty..
this is the god, this is the lord vishnu, or christ, or allah.
We all living in a slumber of thousands of years with a curtain of distorted facts before our eyes and we take it for real.
The need is to wake up and see the sun rising in the sky ... that's where our future is....
anupam
Hello everyone,
I feel happy to find people with different thoughts and preferences expressing their views.
But one thing in Srimadbhagavatha Mahapurana is that the 9th avatara of Srimannarayana is Buddhavatara. 8th is Sri Krishnavatara. The ninth and tenth canto explain it very beautifully. If anyone wants some quotes from the purana I mentioned, do not hesitate to ask me.
And about believing or not believing in the existence of Divinity, its everybody`s personal views, until you do not want to be a dictator and force everyone into atheism that is! Thank you!
@kalki...the answer you've given is the typical theist response. It can be posted as a reply to any of the posts by either a theist or an atheist. Why don't you answer the questions specifically?
I'll show you an example on how to post answers specifically to the questions asked:
u have no proof for the myths in all religions except possibly regarding the existence of the two most recent ones - Buddha (father) & Jesus (the son).
Exactly, which is why all religions are incorrect and there is no such thing as GOD(of any religion). all religions are myths formed by human beings-some out of selfishness and others out of Outroism.
similarly u have no proof that Gandhi existed & hence no proof that u were born
Wrong. There is more than enough proof that Gandhi existed. If you think that Gandhi doesn't exist just because i was not born at the same period as his, then there is no point in saying anything to you as you must be the most deluded person whom, his own GOD(who doesn't exist) cannot change.
in fact I m infinity & of course the zero & the only one
does this even mean anything at all?? Now you started sounding like a hindu fanatic.
I want u to explore the rationalist within u & tell u if u have no proof of the veracity of the "myths", u have no proof of the falsehood of the "myths"
Yes, the lack of simple logic which i've posted in my earlier post proves that these myths are nothing more true than Greek myths of Zeus and other Mt.Olympus gods. These are truly amazing stories, i've to agree albeit they're nothing but stories. Only innocent children who can't make their own decisions will believe in these things.
At the highest level, u have no proof about anything, but not even going to that level, since u have no proof of it being fact or fiction, u shd neither believe nor debunk it till u get proof beyond doubt either way.
More theist BS, which doesn't make any sense at all. Why don't you say something concrete?
Thats how I was before enlightenment (if it helps u), a rationalist & a believer because a rationalist believes & a believer rationalizes.
So what do you believe..?? do you believe in a Bramha who create EVERY person and thing in this world?? You know how small Earth is when compared to the entire universe..??Don't you think it's too stupid of GOD to create such a vast universe for such a tiny negligible human being...if GOD is really that stupid then I don't need to pray and respect him even if he himself shows upon to me.
What else do yo u believe in..??
that there is a Vishnu who lives in Milky Ocean sleeping on a Cobra with 5 heads with his wife at his feet?? Or, do you believe in a Shiva who lives in cemetry doing erotic dance??
however, they r in the “science” of which u r a fan, which of course is not science
So Science is not Science..?? The science which provided you with Internet, electricity, the keyboard which you are using,the science which decoded DNA is not Science and not truth..?? But the Religion which produced fanatics, which produced Racism, Sexism, Cast, hatred...that's the true Science..?? Tell me one Good thing that Religion has provided??
). Also u can ask me questions that Richard Dawkins cannot answer, so can Richard & his followers.
Well, why don't you start answering the questions which i've asked in my first reply to this post??
Coz u r better than a 100 Richards put together, trust me!
No, I'm not. Not atleast in the field in which he's an expert.
to prove through rationale that a bozo is not God
I don't worship Dawkins. I don't pray to him all I do is respect him for the knowledge he is providing unlike the religion which try to keep people in dark as much as possible.
Illam - be good, u r already good & so is everybody, dont worry, judgment day will be a cakewalk!
What a load of BS.
@Shoyonika
until you do not want to be a dictator and force everyone into atheism that is
really, because the most sacred(:head bang:) thing for an atheist is freedom of speech which is in quite contrary with dictator ship. You must've posted this because you think that dictators like Lenin, Stalin are atheists.. but the fact is that they're never atheists they oppressed the religion only because they believe in only one thing Ultimate power with no freedom to anyone. Make no mistake, but atheism and dictatorship are two completely different things.
"The seventh incarnation of Lord Vishnu.....developed more superior weapons like the bow"
So why do both the 4th and 6th incarnations clearly depict not just a bow, but a recurve bow?
First off, stop calling Son...that's so...idiotic way addressing others.
You asked me to provide evidence that God is not present. I will, definitely...but in mean time can you provide some evidence for this:
Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Beliefs of FSM followers:
With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents—mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.
Or provide me the evidence for the non existence of Russell's teapot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
I think you got the idea by now.
You can't prove the non-existence or non existing things.
2 avataras can co-exist, there has been an instance in Ramayana where Rama meets Parashurama.
8th avatara is definately not Balarama, and the nighth is Buddha
As most of said Dharmaraju was not a incarnation LORD VISHNU bcz in DVAPAR YUGA dharmaraj & krishna are brothers then how they would be same incarnatons . You totally
fogot the LORD VENKATESWARASWAMI.
Almost all south indians are in belife that HE IS THE 9 th incarnation of vishnu .Any way this an excelllent site with some small mistakes .Youy may contact on
LOKANAYAKUDUSAGAR555@YAHOO.COM
to now properly that mistakes.
very very very interesting..
didn't like the ranting about the whole issue though
now what surprises me is that no one seems to have noticed the distinct similarity between the bible(noah's ark) and the pious man and the mahapralayam
i dont know much about quran so cant comment about that
i absolutely agree with the author that there is no denying in the fact that indus valley civilisation was very advanced for its age and obviously got lost in time.
and when did Balarama became an avatar of Maha Vishnu when he is the incarnation of Anantha Shesha, and ironically when did KRSNA became the 9th avatar?
Dear Friends,
Our people are competent enough to make Balaram as Vishunu Avatar and after sometime they make Lakshman also Vishnu avatar like double action movies without any justification.Someone in Chittur of Andhra claims that he is Kalki and our people offer puja to them without even knowing the meaning of Kalki.as per our epics Kalki is the distruction form which comes at the end of yuga.but people started saying that they are kalki. May be they want to kill people or what? I pity the people who talk baseless.
Have great time by the blessings of Lord Vishnu.
:facepal: @ all the people arguing over the incarnations...
ive read most of the comments on this and there seems to be a bit of contreversy about the 8th and 9th avatar whether its Buddha or Balarama well from my knowledge from the vedas Balarama is the immediate expansion of Krishna and that even Vishnu himself is an expansion of Krishna all incarnations are portions or parts of portions of Shri Krishna.another thing that i dont get is that if Nrshinvadeva is meant to be the start of animals to humans then how come there were kings and kingdoms already on the planet when he came to save prahlahda.i also hear that kalki will be the 22nd avatar dont forget Lord Chaitanyas appearance 500 years ago and also Vasudeva who put in writen form the Bhagavatam and so on
Going by the progression, in the Avataars,
1. Matsya - Fish - living in water. It is believed that water was first formed in the creation of earth.
2. Kurma - Tortoise - living in both water and land. Lateron water became firmament to land.
3. Varaaha - Boar - living on land alone and wild.
4. Nara-simha - Half Lion + Half Man - transformed from Wild Lion who became the king of the animals to Man - Rather it could be a wild-man so to say!!
5. Vaamana - Short-man. Evolution had its first Simple form of Human and he was Sattvic and Brahmin - intelligent, knowledgeable, soft, non-aggressive, simple thoughts and actions with hatred for none etc.
6. Parashu-raama. - Brahmin Turned Kshatriya - fierceful - has an Axe on hand and is instead of using for cutting wood, was used for cutting heads.
7. Sri Rama - The Perfect King. - Compassionate Ruler - Pure Kshatriya with virtues and strong conviction as well as powerful.
8. Sri Krishna - Superman - Kshatriya turned Vysya - Born to Kshatriya but brought up as a milk-man - cowherd - Vysya - Merchant class. However, very intelligent and powerful.
9. Who could be this ? Definitely a pure Vysya.
10. Who could be this ? A mix of Vysya and Shudra.
11. Who could be this ? Pure Shudra.
12. Who could be this ? A Mlecha and that would be the end. He will kill all and prepare for the next Manvantara by complete annihilation. And that is known as Kalki.
The dasavatars as interpreted today are an interesting allegory, but saying that they are in tune with evolution theory is taking it too far.
The thing that stands out most is that tortoises and boars are not in the ancestral line of humans. Nor is there any evidence of a human/lion hybrid. Apes, our immediate ancestors are completely ignored. Plants too don't feature anywhere. The other missing part in the allegory are the single celled organisms. For over 3 billion years they were the only life forms on Earth. Multicellular organisms appeared very recently on Earth's timescale.
The semblance of dasavatars to evolution is most likely just a coincidence. Even if it represents evolution, it is an extremely crude approximation.
nice comment Satish. It's so happy to see at least somebody refuting the concept. People are so blind in believing anything and everything that's linked to religion and God. It's so pathetic.
Dear Friends,I agree with the latest analysis of Dasavatars and the dasavatars show the maturity and evolution of man. If you all guys remember the story of Shaap by a maharshi to the king who was the disciple of MahaVishnu.As a result of the Shaap and as the king was completely in concentration towards MahaVishnu, Vishnu took that shaap and told that he will take those all Avatars and will destroy the demons and bad to keep dharma on this earth. As poited out with latest analysis, Please treat God as the trust on humanity rather than simply commenting on God. Can anyone tell me who can see the X-rays. Even foreigners are believing that there is soul and God and our people started saying no to that.Thats is the reall pathetic situation we are in Mr.Satish. For all your information, the research was also conducted to really know whether there is any soul and the people were able to find it.So dont feel that everything can be seen with our eyes.Somethings can only be felt.I can feel the God in my mother,Father and everywhere as we treat God as Sarvantaryami. God is Truth and Truth is God.
Which Avatar are you !!! - that is what matters in daily life
For heavens sake don't quibble about Balram and Buddha - just shows what really starts a War and therefore Kaliyug
You will see Mr Kalki then in a fleeting moment of death OK
Tapas
Hi All,
For Every Thousand years or so Lord vishnu takes avatar. So everytime a powerful saint is born that saint is automatically linked to the birth of mahaVishnu . So the 9th and 10th avatar could be any great and powerful Spiritual leaders like Buddha , Jesus or Adi shankaracharya .....distruction wrt Kalki means distruction of Sins of people and need not neccesarly mean physical distruction.
Is jesus a avatar of lord vishnu....as a hindu i will be very happy if jesus, who has powers to remove evil spirits from a person be declared as a avatar of Lord Vishnu. Krishna Died because of mistake of mankind , when a arrow was shot at Krishnas leg by mistake. And Jesus himself has told god to forgive the mistakes of human beings for Crucification.
@Anonymous
Why should I care if foreigners believe in souls or not? Many of them also believe that the world is only 6000 years old and that evolution never happened. Also, can you point me to the research which proves the existence of souls?
And from where did you get the idea that I believe only what I see with my eyes? The human senses are extremely limited.
The Universe sings in frequencies from gamma to radio waves and yet humans can see only a tiny part of it (light). We can't hear sound frequencies above 20 KHz. Our skin can't feel microbes. We can't detect magnetic or electric fields and the list goes on. There are millions of species on Earth itself which have some senses better than us.
So, no. I don't trust my senses to tell me the truth.
If you can feel God, fine. But that doesn't make dasavatars equivalent to theory of evolution. As I said earlier dasavatars miss a lot of information.
The most easy way to refute this entire theory is to point out the fact that each of these myths involves humans along with that God creature avatar. Which imply that humans exist from the beginning and this is not true. Humans came into existence only recently. The major portion of earth's age is filled with nothing.
I'm sure that people will one day realize that all these myths are just some fantasy stories just like the Greek, Roman and Egyptian Gods and myths.
One thing is for sure, as long as we've people in India who squabble over whether or not Buddha or Balarama is an avatar or not we, Indians will remain to live in this stone age of a country.
Rite on Ravi The Cosmic presence precedes us as Nothing.Avatars in any form is ridiculous caricature of that form as per peoples imagination.GOD has painted a Story for us and we paint one of our own amusingly
If we all do Tapasya and sacrifice for others we will be much better off in HIS image than quibbling about Avatars
Too much talk of God and how Hindu sages knew everything.
You guys should know that Hinduism or what ever the organized religion and belief system is, did not exist if you look back in History till humans migrated to the Indian land about 12,000 years.
All of you need a study in evolutionary biology, molecular genetics, fossils, geology, cosmology to really understand process of evolution. We, the people on earth, are just an accident. If there is God, why would he/she/it pick this small blue dot of a planet to habitate with humans who are destroying everything else he/she/it created. Is this some drama going on.
Also, do you think our sages were so smart 6000 years back that they knew everything about genetics, DNA, fossils, migration of marine life to land etc etc without stepping away from the shores of this land.
Too much rubbish is being projected in terms of hindu philosphy. Modern science is what it is. There are no facts about historical Indian science. so blaming it's destruction is a convenient way to bring an unknown as a sure fact that was.
Hinduism got created in this subcontinent. There have been religions in the past and present.
There have been about 400-500 generations of people who have lived in this land since the first migration from central asia 12000 years back.
Now don't tell me that 500 generations cannot make up things or distort things they inherited.
Were they all enlightned or did they pass it all in perfect knowledge to next generation. Did the knowledge get enhanced with time.
There are no historical facts just anecdotes..
This set of stories tells one that different beings and entities have qualities and properties that encourage their respect. They are capable of deeds and give guidance that one cannot exhibit. There is more to the known ecosystems on a planet.
interesting as the articles have been described, but its again a question of knowing the truth. i learnt about Lord Venkateshwara/Venkatesha/ Balaji as the 9th incarnation, He is the Lord of the Seven hills in Andhra Pradesh, and his Mandiram is made up of Gold. its Lord Krishna who said with Yashoda that he will come back again as Venkateshwara.
so wer is Lord Venkateshwara in the article? may be u were referring to Krishna? Siva also mentioned that, but none comments about Lord Venkateshwara as the 9th Avatar of Maha Vishnu, n the 10th will be Kalki.
Consider also Hayagreeva as the Eighth Incarnation of Lord vishnu.
Source Srimad Bhagavatam.It also talks about 24 Vishnu Avtars.
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so..prabantham and periya puranam all are fake...!??? rofls..
science and medicines invention everything compressed in these 4 vedas.. so science can say why death occurs and after that??
science still finding the planets counting planets.. which were there in our hindu mythology..
@Anonymous
>>science and medicines invention everything compressed in these 4 vedas..
I would love to see where in the 4 vedas is there an explanation of how bacteria can cause an illness.
>>so science can say why death occurs and after that??
Death occurs because a biological machine fails to carry on its survival. And what happens after death? The machine stays dead.
>>science still finding the planets counting planets.. which were there in our hindu mythology..
The hindu mythology you are talking about doesn't even know of the planets beyond Saturn let alone planets orbiting other stars. It doesn't know about the beautiful moons of Jupiter/Saturn, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter and a whole lot of other stuff about our solar system.
@author---Please don`t go so sick with racism by excluding Gautama Buddha`s name from this list!
@Ravi--- ur bilief on non bilieving is tremendous,such bileif only proves the existence of bilief system agaisnt which u write!....
and @ kalki-Thanks God, u r here ,if u were not here, we all were dead by 2050, lol!
@ramakrishna...I don't have the faintest idea of what your trying to tell..would you care to elaborate please??
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So, coming back to existence of Gods, as we understand them, even if they were Vyasa's imagination, I am inclined to believe he may not have been far from the reality. As somebody here already mentioned we have only five senses that makes sense of certain frequencies. The others we have managed to observe through our instruments, but have not made any sense of them and there may not be anything there as well, but that is like saying, if we did not have eyes, those frequencies would have been simply that just waves of certain frequencies!
And in another thousand years if our civilization be destroyed and we only have many hard disks lying around that survived somehow, all we would have given our next civilization would be 1s and 0s without a means of understanding if those were words, pictures or movies or sounds! So, it is indeed wise for us to remember. For that is the only thing we can make sense of and communicate. Hence a language as compact and 'perfect' as Sanskrit to carry our memories in our little brains. Who knows, perhaps 'English' will one day reach there and by that time we would have understood what or who Krishna or Kalki is and a Vyasa would render that for the benefit of another Yug!
Come to think of it, all those words and pictures in any medium are simply that - words, pictures, on/off bits, pits and platues on CDs, electronic pulses or whatever unless you have the right means to see or hear them. However they only make sense in our brain! Nowhere else.
- Vyasa (please, it is just a moniker I have assumed ;-)
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As Newton himself explained as being a child on a little beach collecting shells whereas the vast ocean of knowledge lies before him, unkown. Of course, with all due respects, I am talking of mere mortals.
To the atheists here who think that all the scriptures are fantastic stories, as rationalists can you think that there may be some grains of truth to it also? Of all the literature that we have, what most of us remember are the best stories, not dreary facts. Perhaps in their wisdom, and also perhaps due to the lack of a reliable medium, our sages thought it best to transmit knowledge as stories so our limited brains can remember them. And if that is plausible can you imagine what we must have lost as well? Not just stories, but subsequent irrelevent and incorrect conclusions over several millennia?
Scholars argue about the evolution of Sanskrit itself, even in our scriptures, but apparently it was good enough to compose the first of the Vedas. However, before that, the language itself should have been discovered, improved, polished, a dictionary created, the word spread, grammer accepted before we could use it in the composition of our scriptures. I believe there are entire civilizations that we are unaware of, right here on earth, much less elsewhere! Even if we believe what are mentioned in the ancient scriptures pure fiction or even science fiction, if you really read modern science fiction and compare it with what we actually have, we are not that far off!
There is an argument that our imagination is not far from what we have observed or experienced. The best science fiction we have do not have creatures that are further than a conglomeration of many animals that we already know of! Our best science fiction weapons still look like guns or missiles or bombs. Our best space ships basically looks like a combination of aircrafts and aircraft carriers. This of course is based on what I have read so far and seen in movies. What I am trying to say is our imagination is not that far off from reality. In fact one could argue with some credibility that it may be a simple juxtaposition of two or more unrelated things. The influence of nature on our thought process is much more than we would like to believe. Again, it is my humble opinion.
So, if there were scholars of the stature of Vyasa concocting stories like the Mahabharata, then where were our scientists or their writings of their inventions and discoveries? We like to think that Gods are an invention or imagination of Man. Quite possible especially because all our Gods have heads and arms and legs. Perhaps Krishna was a comic strip character like Superman (my apologies to the believers) created by Vyasa to tell a story - even something as serious as a philosophical discourse. If we lost our civilization as it exists now and rediscovered it without a context a millennium later and see pictures of superman flying, what would we think? Was he God? An Avatar? He certainly seems to appear whenever there is 'adharma' in his world!
It is just unfortunate that we do not have a pictures from those days and it is perhaps fitting that we only have thousands and thousands of verses because that is the only thing this human brain can carry with it and express reliably using words without the aid of any external artifice. If as somebody here said that humans came to India 12000 years ago, we certainly don't know much about nearly ten thousand years except what we can gather from fossils. And where were we before that? What did we do then? If the entire Roman civilization lasted a thousand years, we are talking about at least ten civilizations - give or take a few of which we have no awareness of!
Seemingly they did not leave any footprints, just their memories in our collective scriptures for us to carry with us.
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First I have to admit, this is one site where I actually went throught the entire list of comments in one sitting. Now, that is not to say that comments at other sites are not as interesting. It is only because a) I have never had the opportunity to visit those sites and b) the topics of discussions at other sites may not be to my interest.
Second, all my comments are just my opinions, may or may not be facts. It is just how I see them today. I am willing and, I hope, capable to change the way I see things, if things are explained to me convincingly.
I am a theist in the sense that I believe in the existence of something we all have seemingly agreed to name as 'God' (in English) the true nature of which I have no knowledge of. However the key word here is 'belief' and I think beliefs are subject to change.
I am also an atheist in the sense that I have a healthy reservation about my beliefs about 'God' and its nature.
I am a realist also in that I know that there exists a body of literature collectively called the Hindu scriptures and others like the Bible, Quran and Scientific literature that tries to answer many of our questions that we obviously have been puzzled with since the time we became, for lack of a better word, 'conscious' - since time immemmorial.
Please understand that when I state an opinion here it is not to dismiss what others think or believe or be disrespectful to anybody. My purpose is to understand truth as perhaps Buddha, Jesus, Shankara or many known or unkown folks may have achieved. To know 'What Is' and 'Why'. Of course they are limited to my intelligence and so am seeking that knowledge, knowing which you know everything! I believe there is such a phrase in one of our scriptures. I also believe that ultimate knowledge can be understood only slowly just as you cannot teach the theory of relativity to a kindergartner. We first need to learn language, some basic knowledge and use them to step up to receive the ultimate one.
So here goes:
I do not remember, even though I am from the southern part of India, any stories where Balarama was one of of the Dasavatars. This is a statement of fact about my memory not of any reference to Balarama as an avatar in the scriptures! I do remember Buddha being part of the dasavatars. Now, as far as I am concerned it does not matter if one or the other is true. To my limited knowledge, it is not relevant to my quest. I was even surprised to find that there are more avatars than the ten I knew of!
I do not believe that the mention of Dasavatars in our scriptures are intended to explain evolution to us. Then again it may be. I certainly find it intersting that part of our scriptures seems to allegorically dovetail somewhat with modern scientific observations. Folks here have refuted the link citing one point or the other, but if you remember Dasavatar came before Theory of Evolution, you will know my assertion about its intention is perhaps correct or at least believable. Also, as Dasavatars are part of a 'story' that may be true or not, it is perhaps not necessary to go into each and every detail of the evolutionary process, even if it was intended to show us that. In fact the Theory of evolution itself does not explain every species that we have, but I might add that that may be because we are not aware of all the circumstances surrounding the evolution of those species. Same argument could go for Dasavatars also. We are certainly not privy to all the circumstances surrounding it. In fact we are not privy, even collectively, to all of the scriptures that we know of, let alone all that we are not even aware of!
I dont think that eighth avatar was balram. In hindu mythology it was budhha. ancient hindu mythology book and vishnu puran also said this.
By the way there were other 14 avatars of vishnu known as 'ansh avatar'.
@Lije:
Therefore science fails to control over the death??
everything that science invents or discovers now, are all available in our hindu mythology and in its scripts. Even science accepts that..
as you say till saturn the planets mentioned and so on..
look into srimath bagavatham age and life of earth and universe are mentioned. and our science had acknowledged the same in its scientific view and terms.
whatever the things everyone accepts there must be one super power controlling things here... our mythology say it as God,nature,super soul etc..
Therefore science fails to control over the death??
They've reduced the possibilities of it a lot. Not 100 years ago if you get cancer, there is no way for you to cure it. You can't even fix a broken tooth or amputated leg let alone cure cancer. Show me where in Vedas is there cure for cancer/ re-attach amputated body parts/ at least fix your tooth and I'll stop talking anything about science and I'll leave my job and start reading and preaching Vedas every where.
"everything that science invents or discovers now, are all available in our hindu mythology and in its scripts. Even science accepts that..
as you say till saturn the planets mentioned and so on.."
Have you ever heard of this famous argument made by every passionate Hindu- "Aryabhatta the hindu scholar invened '0'. Without 0 you can't imagine world". That means Vedas don't even know 0.(Now don't say that beloved Bhatta is part of Vedas.) I can understand Vedas being sounding great to the people of bronze age but I can't understand why people still think the same with all the Scientific advancements we've made.
"look into srimath bagavatham age and life of earth and universe are mentioned. and our science had acknowledged the same in its scientific view and terms."
That's cherry picking. People started talking about Vedic age only AFTER science has predicted the possible age of earth. You can ask Christian/ Islamic scholars and they'll say that their Holy books too predict the age of the earth exactly (although it's looot less than what evidence we've got for it).
whatever the things everyone accepts there must be one super power controlling things here... our mythology say it as God,nature,super soul etc..
ok...for this and any other comments, I just want everyone to read once the article provided in the link below. Just forget what you believe in and what you've been taught so far and read the article with a rational mind:
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/1781
They've reduced the possibilities of it a lot. Not 100 years ago if you get cancer, there is no way for you to cure it. You can't even fix a broken tooth or amputated leg let alone cure cancer. Show me where in Vedas is there cure for cancer/ re-attach amputated body parts/ at least fix your tooth and I'll stop talking anything about science and I'll leave my job and start reading and preaching Vedas every where.
Dear Friend,
I can understand the ego in your words which doesn't have any value in spirituality.Matured scientists and educated people always think that we are like a drop in the ocean and where the ocean is knowledge and the knowledge that they have is like a drop.I was wondering to know the meaning of Research,Discovery etc. As per English meaning of research - Re search which says that we are searching again which means we are trying to search the existing concepts again. Discovery means again the same.Hope this is enough of our great English language which has got ambiguous meanings for the same word unlike our ancient sanskrit.The possibilities of re-attaching amputated body parts has been mentioned in Mahabharat when Jarasandh was separated body into two parts at his childhood and then one of the yogi has attached them with the herbs available in the forest and made Jarasandh to be normal and hence it has been projected that Jarasandh is capable to be alive even if he is divided into two parts.Anyways we have a poem by Bhartruhari saying that we can remove the nagamani from snake so easily but it is not possible to make a murkh(who has bits and pieces of knowledge and who feel that whatever he knows is right)convinced with the facts.Hoing that we have brain to realize where we stand and what we are by thinking neutrally without either the influence of Science or so.
Never feel that Science is great. I am more than happy to know how sperm and ovum can create birth.Where is the sperm came from?and what are the root causes of birth? etc. There are so many things in the science which doesn't have reasons and roots still.
let me request again, please add nameof gautama Buddha here too..
let me make it clear, take nameof buddha or not it hardly matters with enlightened person like Buddha but if we add him or think over him , it would give us a new dimension of realising the religion!
If all major scriptures and great hindu saints acknowldged Buddha why ,hindu blog is ignoring him?
I'll post a detailed response later..but for now,I'll just copy bits of info from both anonymous and RK's post:
"The possibilities of re-attaching amputated body parts has been mentioned in Mahabharat when Jarasandh was separated body into two parts at his childhood and then one of the yogi has attached them with the herbs available in the forest and made Jarasandh to be normal and hence it has been projected that Jarasandh is capable to be alive even if he is divided into two parts."
"Curing disease and making a person rich or giving physical comforts ,these r gifts of science that we call miracle in spiritual context.
True religion never teach miracle for miracle is false science and aim of religion is truth."
you guys are contradicting each other while talking about same thing. At least make a correct stance on what you believe in.
I once again request everyone replying to my comments to read the content in this link just once because most of the questions that you're putting forward have been answered by far more intelligent and authoritative people and they put the answers in much elegant manner than I ever could:
http://richarddawkins.net/archive,page1,All,All,Reason,Debate-Points
and this link:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
please, I urge you... I'm ready to read any content you provide if you people just read the information provide in the above links just once.
I believe in ocean and every anonymous believe in same..only waves r different and so is the path of rivers...
Lets talk on hisghest, what can a person gain or loose with making one greater and other smaller!
Ravi, I`m struggling over all the links u posted here... Till I understand bit of them, leaving with u with this link on Swami Vivekananda`s THE NECESSITY OF RELIGION
( Delivered in London )
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_2/Jnana-Yoga/The_Necessity_of_Religion
if u don`t find it very dull then, plz give a rough look at gyana yoga chapter...
namaste!
...ctd from other post
"Hoing that we have brain to realize where we stand and what we are by thinking neutrally without either the influence of Science or so.
Never feel that Science is great. I am more than happy to know how sperm and ovum can create birth.Where is the sperm came from?and what are the root causes of birth? etc."
Just go and consult any local gynecologist. I'm sure you will get answers to all the questions.
"There are so many things in the science which doesn't have reasons and roots still."
which is the reason that makes Science ever so great. It's ready to acknowledge the fact that we don't know every thing unlike religion which attributes every unknown thing to GOD. Bronze age people do have the religion and God and whenever it thunders and lightening appears in the sky they think that it's the great miracle of GOD. But now we know that it's simple chemical reaction and could be easily produced under the controlled lab conditions.
Also, if you soo believe in your God, next time you feel sick, why don't you just pray to God instead of going to your doctor? Try that and see if that works.
cheers,
ravi.
Quoted from anonymous post
"Dear Friend,"
Dear Anonymous...it would've been great if you've left some clue of what your identity really is as right now I feel like I'm responding to some auto bot.
"I can understand the ego in your words which doesn't have any value in spirituality."
Completely unrelated to the topic on debate. We're not talking about the value of each other but of the topic. And I've read so many books and I've never encountered any sentence similar to what you've said and so I'm not quite able to understand things like my words not having any value in spirituality. Would you care to elaborate on what exactly does make sense in the "spirituality"??
"Matured scientists and educated people always think that we are like a drop in the ocean and where the ocean is knowledge and the knowledge that they have is like a drop."
Absolutely true but that ocean doesn't form out of religion but this bizarrely beautiful/ vast and imperfect universe about which we know only so little.
"I was wondering to know the meaning of Research,Discovery etc. As per English meaning of research - Re search which says that we are searching again which means we are trying to search the existing concepts again. Discovery means again the same.Hope this is enough of our great English language which has got ambiguous meanings for the same word unlike our ancient sanskrit."
Congratulations for proving that Sanskrit is greater than English. But I guess if we can understand a bird and ask it, then it probably might say that it's chirping is much meaningful than both Sanskrit and English. Understand that a language is nothing but a form of communication
"The possibilities of re-attaching amputated body parts has been mentioned in Mahabharat when Jarasandh was separated body into two parts at his childhood and then one of the yogi has attached them with the herbs available in the forest and made Jarasandh to be normal and hence it has been projected that Jarasandh is capable to be alive even if he is divided into two parts."
I can show you references in thousands of books which has much interesting stories than that and movies which say that you can time travel/ shrink your body. But that doesn't mean that they all know the exact methods on how to do that. What I've asked for is the procedure not just a story.
If you're talking about age-old myths, then why don't you answer my questions avataras which I've posted in previous post regarding the simple logical fallacies in those stories.
"Anyways we have a poem by Bhartruhari saying that we can remove the nagamani from snake so easily but it is not possible to make a murkh(who has bits and pieces of knowledge and who feel that whatever he knows is right)convinced with the facts."
First, there are no such things "nagamanis" on the head of the queen snake which gets protected by some soldier snakes and king snake. Second, it's not me who's claiming that I KNOW how the world works I'm just saying based on the evidence available that this is the most probable way in which the world works and I'm open to change my views whenever some new evidence come up. It's you who are saying that this is DEFINITELY how the world works. The one creator has created the world he rules it and has the power to end it at his will. You're saying these things with out any evidence except that your religious scripture says it. What you're making is known as circular argument.
The is the word of God. We know it is the word of God because the says it is the word of God and because the is the word of God it is inerrant. Thus the is the word of God.
ctd...
Ravi u made me astonished in ur last post, when u say just pray to god ,instead of going to doc"as it appears that u only see religion as miracle only.
Religion is a subject of universal truth, and if docotors helps curing a disease than he is just a part of truth only and a medium that our God send to cure us.
Bill gates, made sort of hospital by calling doctors from all over the world to cure his father, but his father died and gates turned toward spirituality!
Yes doctors can cure disease but doctor can not surly cure even a common cold for same medicine that can work with u may not work with me...
If u really think its enough for u to know how sperm and ovum creat birth, then u r already blessed with ur limits of science, but religion go a step beyond n try to know what make this birth happen , what r the cause of all causes...
for us what u call root cause is just a surface, for its only limited to body, we have even reached to soul...or either no soul but the fact is our dimension has surpassed the meterial sphere....and let me make it clear those who relly want to talk of science, please go through either quantums or something that stand agains of quantum ,its einstien`s modern theory/practicals based on einstiens relativity..both against pole of science quontum or relativity is searching towards a spehere beyond material......
ramakrishnasarnam said...
" Ravi u made me astonished in ur last post, when u say just pray to god ,instead of going to doc"as it appears that u only see religion as miracle only."
My reply was never meant for you. It was meant for Anonymous. I can't reply you the same post as above because I'm still not able to understand what you stance is...at times you write as if you don't believe in a personal God and only believe in Deism and then in your very next posts you say things like you believe some buddhaboy and repeatedly ask the admin of this site to modify post and add Buddha's name instead of someone else as the avatar which can only mean that you believe in some personal God. It's quite difficult to argue with people who are not sure in what they believe atleast Anonymous is honest in accepting the fact that he takes every word of Mahabharat, puranas and other such books literally...but you..you want to treat certain things of those books metaphorically and others literally.
"Religion is a subject of universal truth, and if docotors helps curing a disease than he is just a part of truth only and a medium that our God send to cure us."
Then why is that there are so many different religions each preaching and fighting over the supremacy?? Deny as much as you want to by saying that those people who fight over religions didn't understand religion perfectly but those people can certainly justify every act of theirs using their own religious scriptures.
"Bill gates, made sort of hospital by calling doctors from all over the world to cure his father, but his father died and gates turned toward spirituality!"
I have no idea about this but, if you can provide a resource for this, I can certainly comment on it.
"Yes doctors can cure disease but doctor can not surly cure even a common cold for same medicine that can work with u may not work with me..."
they sure can do cure diseases which people who used to believe in God (read people of so called vedic ages) more than you ever did were not able to. Why is that God need only a doctor who's specialist in that particular field in order to cure a disease? Why can't he work through God men or priests or people like you and anonymous?? Why can't you see the simple fact that no matter how strong your belief is and how noble life you have lead, if you don't consult the specialized doctor for a fatal disease, you're bound to die?
"If u really think its enough for u to know how sperm and ovum creat birth, then u r already blessed with ur limits of science, but religion go a step beyond n try to know what make this birth happen , "
Science has figured more than the fact that you need a sperm and egg in order to ovulate you know...in fact science has found the ancestor from which every living being has ever lived on this earth. Like I said earlier, all you need to do is open your mind to the facts and read up on them. Read about evolution as much as you can. You'll know all about your origins. You don't need religion or God to explain things.
"what r the cause of all causes...
for us what u call root cause is just a surface, for its only limited to body, we have even reached to soul...or either no soul but the fact is our dimension has surpassed the meterial sphere...."
Do you have anything to support what you've just said?? And no, you don't have answer for anything if you just follow religion. The only answer that religion can give is "God Did It. It's all a part of his wonderful plan". Nothing else...there is no other answer in any religious book.
"and let me make it clear those who relly want to talk of science, please go through either quantums or something that stand agains of quantum ,its einstien`s modern theory/practicals based on einstiens relativity..both against pole of science quontum or relativity is searching towards a spehere beyond material......"
what??
Ravi, did I ever say I bilieve in buddha boy? No, I just wanted u to know about him for the sort of discussion u do. Discovery channel with the team of scientific investigator went to him to judge his claim over indei, thats spiritual ability to take nutrition via sunlight, without eating and drinking. Just write buddha boy on youtube and see that discovery channel`s video!!
I expect an approch in which we learn not to show each other down!
Ravi do u think I`m asking writer to include Buddha`s name in this list only because I`m of buddhist background...
U don`t even know my name, If I`m hindu or mulsim ,u just declared I`m a buddhist!
Let me make it clear most of hindu people think buddha as bhagwan and avatara of vishnu.
Now my personal view, why I want buddha to be included here, as I`ve read so many comments here. Buddha`s approch was same as that of modern atheists, he denied everything to realise everything.
And me personaly is on bhakti path,as my nick suggest, like those of who simply chants name of god,esp, Krishna--Ram....
MOST IMPORTANT Raviji!!!
I read in ur April 15, 2010 12:36 PM comments, u urself told more than individuals, the centre is topic of debate... read following ur own words.
"Completely unrelated to the topic on debate. We're not talking about the value of each other but of the topic."
Now, did I make it wrong when I replied to one of the comment written above ,co-incidently written by u. I commented for ,I`m also here to give importance to topic not individuals, so whatever is writen here ,I don`t find anything personal about it. Hence, I opted to be away from this debate but I changed mind for I can really learn a lot from u all.
Ravi,let me answer, this when u say,
It's quite difficult to argue with people who are not sure in what they believe atleast Anonymous is honest in accepting the fact that he takes every word of Mahabharat, puranas and other such books literally...but you..you want to treat certain things of those books metaphorically and others literally."
Yes, Ravi, can even a scientist be sure what they r working. this is sign of growth that we don`t stick on mere papers! Who knows if words of scripture is truth or tempered by interpretations while translation,but the subject of scripture is completly pure. I may have not read Gita but I may realise krsihna even without gita. why u think importance of books that much!
Hindusim is not a well that u can see from above. Its an ocean and so many ways to reach this ocean. I respect anonymous state of mind for even purana, gita etc is infinite ocean in itself .Its a subject of heart we can goo deeper n deeper in it.
Scripture is also a medium,I can`t deny it, rather adore it,myself.Its a medium that mould my mind towards god and words written...
Biliefs r matter of feelings why r u compelling me to bring this in debate when U urself is here to talk of minds...
And who querrels, I don`t know, for life is not eternal to me, we all have to die, even if we marry a doctor or become doctor ourselves! so let me concentrate of something thats eternal!
@ravi--- my stance, God is not metaphorically interpreted subject but a fact ,the absolute truth.I take God literally and what u call metaphor, that to me is to make a practical application of that literal words.
No one can put rule on how we can discuss a subject or not!
If I write against science, I can not expect that only physicist would reply me, I welcome all even biologist ,of chemist etc to defend their subject.
Similarly, when I write against religion we welcome all who worship personal god, or impersonal...
But never forget, chemist can be biologist too, similarly if a person talks of impersonal god, he may have faith in personal god too.
So, my stance is clear that God is infinite both personal and impersonal, we can only talk in parts.
If a person is alive today he is with body, after death what remain who can say?
The sun is in the sky, but it may not be seen in sky as its in night, so we can not only talk of sun of day not of night, If we talk purly of sun, its forever there, beyond being day and night.
same krsihna, following bhagwat purana, we go via path of bhakti, all sort of rituals, but with gita ,when we read god is everywhre ,even in my own soul then, gyana remains, the knowledge of vedanta, the universal truth.
In both case krishna is there.
So why u want me ,or anyone to talk u either of bhagwat or gita...
I don`t know any of above book, I only talk of krishna,sometime it may be form, sometimes it may be formless...why the fuss????
"Ravi, did I ever say I bilieve in buddha boy? No, I just wanted u to know about him for the sort of discussion u do. Discovery channel with the team of scientific investigator went to him to judge his claim over indei, thats spiritual ability to take nutrition via sunlight, without eating and drinking. Just write buddha boy on youtube and see that discovery channel`s video!!
I expect an approch in which we learn not to show each other down!"
have you ever heard of David Blaine??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blaine
"Ravi do u think I`m asking writer to include Buddha`s name in this list only because I`m of buddhist background...
U don`t even know my name, If I`m hindu or mulsim ,u just declared I`m a buddhist!
Let me make it clear most of hindu people think buddha as bhagwan and avatara of vishnu.
Now my personal view, why I want buddha to be included here, as I`ve read so many comments here. Buddha`s approch was same as that of modern atheists, he denied everything to realise everything.
And me personaly is on bhakti path,as my nick suggest, like those of who simply chants name of god,esp, Krishna--Ram...."
"I read in ur April 15, 2010 12:36 PM comments, u urself told more than individuals, the centre is topic of debate... read following ur own words.
"Completely unrelated to the topic on debate. We're not talking about the value of each other but of the topic."
Now, did I make it wrong when I replied to one of the comment written above ,co-incidently written by u. I commented for ,I`m also here to give importance to topic not individuals, so whatever is writen here ,I don`t find anything personal about it. Hence, I opted to be away from this debate but I changed mind for I can really learn a lot from u all."
Which is the reason why I've made my earlier comment that my first reply today being not meant for you. I'm not sure on what you believe in and what you don't and so my first reply today was only meant for Anonymous. I was merely explaining why my reply was not for you which is the reason why I'd to divert from the topic to your case.
But I can infer this from your replies so far. The main post is about the ten incarnations of Vishnu and you are asking to add Buddha as one of the incarnations which can only mean that you believe that Buddha is a reincarnation of Vishnu which inturn mean that you believe in Vishnu (or a personal god) sheesh...that was a loong interpretation.
Dear Ravi,
I can see the feeling in your words.Dont ever think that everyone else doesn't know anything except you.I can see your ego and psychic feeling which makes you to think that you know everything.Forget about spirituality and God for a minute and position yourself who you are in this nature.I pity you on your thinking. You are the person who never accepts that you dont know anything by the way you refering me to Gynecologist for the facts that you dont know.Anyways its waste of my time in talking to the individuals in this manner.
Just believe in Karmic Laws and all will be just fine. GOD is not required.
Budha is not Vishnu's avatar and will never be. Avatar is not for us to fill it in. It is what mentioned in the Dasaavatar Purana. So, just leave it as such.
First of all, my primary aim of being in this discussion is not any declaration but a request to add Buddha`s name too. I`ve no personal relation with buddha, nor do I know Buddha in person but I know him as one of the avatar. If none of u is going to agree on this,thats none of my problem. I leave, let vishnu deal and also Buddha.
Anonymous, u urself have named urself anonymous and claim to know all about Vishnu.
Well, I bow down to u for such a knowledge of urs in which u r declaring as if u urself is one of trimurti.However, I don`t know anything about Vishnu for to me vishnu is infinite, I can`t count. "ram ananta, ananta namani"..Ram is infinite, infinite is his names"....Call it buddha or balram.... have I ever said, Balram is no avatar, what I said that include Buddha`s name too ,so what if in bracket....
My motive only is to talk on what infinite can include not what it can never include...
I don`t know from where and who is writing puarana these days, I`m ignorant of any such purana like dasavatara purana...may be there would be some , but I main puranas ,called mahapurana, most of them have talked of Gautama Buddha...
and also even bhagwat purana have talked of Gautama Buddha!
If u really want to know something, rather than interpreting Truth of scripture by own ego..plz give rough look on following two links.. one is about, Aavatara... and other is for Purana...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puranas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar#cite_note-17
It does not matter what story says what and how rational/irrational it sounds.
It is only the INTENSITY OF DEVOTION that matters. That's why people regardless of religion they follow can feel the god whether it has a form or is formless. It was Prahlada's intensity of devotion that brought out the lord even from an inanimate pillar !.
So instead of debating on stories, their veracity just do the Japa yoga and keep chanting. I have stopped following stories and just chant, chant and try to follow the good sayings and philosophy.
Just chant, while on the move, on the bus-stop, travelling, working, go off to sleep while chanting and stick to one mantra(simple and short one for avoiding errors) and don't keep switching from one mantra to another.
Very interesting...but is the author aware of the fact that lord vishne has total 24 avatars and here we r talking about ten which is half the information...the 24th avatar being of yet to arrive lord kalki??? and our religious teachings do not predict it as end of life...lord kalki will arrive for the ascending of the human civilization..
as we are taught, all 10 avataras of lord vishnu is over. (where Buddha, Balarama & Kalki are not the Vishnu avataras).
this is not to heart anybody.
to my knowledge balram is an avator of lord vishu's sesnaag . as was laxman . both laxman and balram are avator of seesnag not lord vishnu
Hi, everyone i read above the various incarnations of god,some are confused in the eight and ninth avatar of lord vishnu, i would like to clear the confusion as per my knowledge GOD IS ONE SUPREME POWER which is the universe, the humanbeings,even the creatures and non living things its one and the same,god exists everywhere,in every form that why god is not seen,it is in all forms and whatever we do or desire we get because god in in everything even in thoughts,we should always wishgood and think good because that is our real worship to god as he is in us and everywhere,there are various icarnations of god, as they new that god is in everything and everyone,the Bramha,Vishnu,Mahesh are one Supreme Power which incarnated and gave rise to the universe, Ultimately God is One
Dear all please give me the name (s) of the authentic scripture(s).
where something like this is written.......
I am interested to know the truth, but that must be supported by the authentic scripture NOT by the swamis, babas or blogs....
if you have something like that please post the proper reference (s)
Lord Vishnu has 24 avatars of which 10 are of primal importance and are for a specific purpose,To lead the humanity from darkness to light and make everyone realise that There are many things beyond science which are yet undiscovered and can only be realised through devotion,meditation and love towards God.
Hindu religion has survived decades of tyranny and disrespect and even though many religions have tried to trample us we have survived and will always survive.
Budhism tried to trample us but great people like Adi shankaracharya incarnated on this earth and protected Hinduism,Islam tried to destroy us but again great people like Veerabrahmendra swami took birth and protected our religion,Christianity tried to destroy our religion and again Great leaders like Ramakrishna paramahamsa,Swami vivekananda,paramahamsa yogananda took birth on this Holy indian soil and brought back our respect
Our Hindu Religion holds and preaches the truth and how to realise the truth.
We,hindus do not care of what other religions think of us nor do we hate the Atheists who have lost their path, as we know that in the end, everyone will come to our abode and we will embrace them, the whole humanity and preach them the path of truth.
how it could be possible the both the avtar of vishnu ,krishna & balram exist at the same time
IT IS A GOOD ARTICLE, AFTER GOING THROUGH THE COMMENTS WHAT I SUGGEST ALL IS THE CONFUSION ABOUT 8th AVTAR OF LORD IS IN DISPUTE BY MANY A FEW FOR AND A FEW AGAINST. THE WHOLE ESSENCE OR NECTAR OF THE LORD INCARNATION IS TO DESTROY THE EVIL AND SUPPORT THE RIGHTEOUS.
As per Darwin's theory humans are close relatives of monkeys. Monkeys developed to apes and apes to humans. This is proved for e.g. the number of apes in Ramayana were more than number of apes during mahabharata. Apes were called Vanars(Neandarthal).
Also, Jati is different from varna. vipra, Kshtriya, vaisya and shudra. Few corrupt people have missued used logical and statistical words used in ancient times for their benefits and few corrupt politicians in mordern world are misusing these logical and statistical words for their benefits.
Jati means species for e.g. manav jati means human species, pashu jati means animal species.
Manu is not just an Individual it is category of Human species for e.g. Neandarthal, homo sapiens etc.. which was the name given by researchers(ancient as well as present) to differentiate between different speices.
There will be 14 Manus in one day of Bhrama. We are desedants of 7 Manus. These means they will be more species originating from us.
But darwins Human species suggests more species note that these are sub speices which are grouped into previous species or next species depending of the intensity of the features which is similar to either previous or next species.
for e.g. peoples of warring heught 5 foot, 5.3 foot 5.5 foot, 5.8 foot, 5.11 foot and 5.12(6 foot).
Now if you want to group them then you will group them as 5 foot people and 6 foot people now you will group 5, 5.3 and 5.5 into 5 foot group and 5.8, 5.11 & 5.12 into 6 foot group. In the same way few species were considered as intermeditate species and 14 Manus(Manush, Human)species.
How new species come from old species?
few childrens will be born with new features and slowly slowly their population will start increasing and old species will slowly end because they won't be able to match the new ideas and thoughts of new human species. New species evovling from us will have the ability of surviving ins space, solar system, galaxy and universe until every thing will end because it will be 1 night of Brahma.
Everything Originated from Aum for 1 day of brahma and will end in Aum for 1 night of brahma.
Om Namah Shiva. (Aum's Nam AH is Shiva)
Om Namo vasudeyva (Aum's Nam O Vasudevaiya(Vishnu))
Mantra starts from Aoooooooo transforms to Uooooo and Ends in Mmmmmmmmmm.
Shiv = S+H+I+V = V+I+S+H = Vish(Nu).
When Shiv drank poison (Vish) he became protector of univers(vish) hence became Vishnu. When Vishnu ends criminals mentality he becames Nashak of Vish(poisonus mentality)he becomes shiv.
AUM, shiv, vishnu, Bhrama, Allah, Yaweh, Jevoha, Ahura are one and the same names, adjectives. For e.g. north indians call Hanuman as Bajrang Bali, Marathis called Hanuman as maruti and south indians called Hanuman as Anjenya.
why Sri Ram was great?
Both Sri Ram and Ravana belong to modern human species and ravana was intolerant for previous human species. Sri Rama protected all previous human species both Vanars and Jamwant species, as well as all human tribes assyrians of Persia and modern iran.
ARYAN has got nothing to do with race it is just way of life if it was race they why would Gautam Buddha always used to say "ARIYA Marga".
What is Varna? It is said that person is born with varna?
Ans: Varna has nothing to do with caste system. Person is born with varna vipra, kstriya, vaishya, shudra means that it is mentioned in his/her horoscope. That means if your horoscope mentiones your varna as vaishya then your own blood brother or sister can have their varna as kshtraiya these means that you might have qualities of businessmen/businesswomen you may not become always a businessmen or women but you might have qualities of calculating profit and loss of each and everything you purchase, stock exchange etc.. and your own blood brother or sister can join army, navy or airforce or they might have revoulting nature. Those whose varna in horoscope is vipra that does not means that he should be son/daughter of a bhraman parents, it means that he/she has qualities like calm and cool attitude, intellectual, knowledgeable, even Rishi Valmiki and Shri Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar can be considered as bhraman. Those who have shudra as varna in their horoscope it means that they are hardworking, dedicated and sincere towards their work don't forget that ram sethu, monuments, temples and even taj mahal are built by skilled labourers not just by rulers, bussinessmen/women etc.. It is not necessary that doctors son/daughter should be a doctor. Even there are instances wheren doctor parents want their son/daughter to become doctor or son should be engineer and daughter to be a doctor as shown in 3idiots but this we take casually but when it comes to criticize Hindus everyone criticize without reasoning. If Arabiansea (Sindhu sagar) is towards the west for Indians and the same arabian sea (sindu sagar) is towards the east for arabians does that means that sindhu sagar(arabian sea) changes it position for different people it is the point of view from which an individual view.
Why they say that Hindus discriminate?
Ans:- since ancient times the person who conquer because they consider themselves as high class and the conquered/defeated warriors are considered as slaves. This is to happen in so called Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire, Islamic Caliphats but slaves were called as gladiators, moors, dalits etc.. It means that if the conquered/defeated warrior would have won the war then he/she would have made the conquerer as slaves or dalits.
When british colonized India at that time they used to consider all Indians whether bhramans, kshtriya, vaishya, shudra, dalits as slaves (dalits). Did not high class people felt humiliated because of discrimnation with this approach in the same way one should understand that even others can feel humilated because of discrimination. Does'nt similar kind of discrimination occurs when a Doctor prefers to mention Dr. instead of Mr. infront of his name. Does'nt similar kind of discrimation occurs when captain meantions Capt. and Major mentions Major. Does not similar kind of discrimination occurs when few travel in Business class and few travel in economy class. Don't people who start earning more start travelling in business class and those who lost money start travelling in economy class or those rich who want to save money travel in economy class. Does a person after doing MBBS o Phd becomes a doctor then in the same way a person can become ruler, priest, bussinesmen, worker, slave by his deeds.
did dronacharya did partiality? was eklavya mistreeted?
Ans:- First of all Dronacharcya was employed as trainer for hastinapur empire and so as per his contract of agreement he was supposed to teach only Hanstinapur princes. Now, will Indian scientist or military chief teach a chineese comman man how to invent weapons and how to use weapon don't you understand what can be consequences(he can be a good person or a bad person) in the same way Ekalavya was born to Devashrava (brother of Vasudeva, who was father of Krishna) and was raised by Hiranyadhanus, the leader (King) of the Nishadhas, who was a commander in the army of Jarasandha (the king of Magadha). When Pandavas revolted against Hanstipura at that time Dronacharya fought against even arjuna. That means that if child arjuna did not belonged to hastinpura then Dronacharya would not have even trained arjuna. He was employed for hastinapura and not pandavas.
Why did dronacharya liked only arjuna and not kauravas?
Ans: if you are a teacher or your teacher might like certain student may be because of his/her qualites that is the reason why he/she is made class monitor is it discrimation. Dronacharya loved his sone ashwatama more that is the reason why when he heard ashwatama(elephant) died he thought that his son died and so he dropped his weapon and violated the Agreement of Employment to Hastinapura.
Why did dronacharya taught his son ashwatama if he could not teach Karna?
Ans:- Didn't your father/mother loved you more than your neighour's childern Don't you love your own son/daughter more than your neighbour son/daughter. During employment Dronacharya has asked special permission to allow him to train even his son Ashwatama.
Incident of Eklavya and karna made them famous, thier good work helped them to get sympathy of many people that is the reason still there are many parents name their son as Eklavya and karna. But nobody names their son as Duryodhana.
Good and noble deeds of Eklavya and Karna helped them to gain good name and their bad deeds punished them for siding with adhama.
Moral of the story is that whether you are a bhraman Ravana or Kstriya/Shudra Karna and Eklavya, if you do wrong things you will be punished if you do good things you will be remembered forever.
Incident of Eklavya was a blessing in disguise this made him famous as a good student. Due to which he has also become a idol for those who have lost their limbs to achieve their goal like Eklavya who even after loosing the thumb of right hand mastered the same skill by his left hand.
Incident of Karna was a blessing in disguise this made him famous as a maha dhanvir. Because he got the oppertunity to learn from Lord Parashurama himself. Lord Parashurama was known for his temper and so in anger a person can tend to not reason things this can be possibility for cursing Karna. Lord Rama was known for his reasoning and justice because he never lost his temper that this the reason why he was able to pacify Lord Parashuram even after breaking shiv danush.
Kaliyuga requires 7 Pandavas for Dharmik Bharata/India.
Yudishtra(Justice), Bhima(Strength), Arjuna(Perfection), Nakula(Analyst), Sahdeva(intelligent), Karna(loyalty for nation), Eklayva(dedication for nation)
Don't we call a person with more body hair as balu in the same way in ancient times they might be describing Human's with more hair as bear man. May be Yetis or Himalayas and Bigfoot of americas are Jamwvant species.
Is is well accepted in science that few human species mostly the closely originated ones can interbreed so is nedanthal and homo sapiens. For e.g. wolf can interbreed with Dogs even though Dogs originated from wolf.
Now, just like how ancestor wolf and descendants dogs exists during same time in the same way few human species co-existed during same time.
If anyone has to idolize a guru then it is only Chanakya who made a small boy called chandragupt a king and also strengthen the frontier of your Dharmik Bharata.
As per jains emperor Bharata belonged to Suryavansh and as per few emperor Bharata belonged to Chandravash. But it will be adviceable to called it as Bharatvansh because a vansh is just a branch all vansh originated from same source for e.g. UP/Bihari Yadavas and Marathi Jadhavs both originated from Yadu kulu.
Raghuvansh originated from Suryavansh. In the same way Emperor Bharata should be consiered as Bharatvansh. Only those who considered them as loyal patriotic Indians should be considered as bharatvansh and not by their blood lineage.
Kaliyuga requires all these qualities to fight in the side of Dharma.
Dharma as said by Sri Rama.
Dharma as said by Sri Krishna.
Dharma as said by Swami Mahavira.
Dharma as said by Gautam Buddha.
Dharma as said by Guru Nanak.
That means that our religion is Dharma and we are Dharmiks not Shiava, Vaishnava, Shakta etc..), buddhist, jains, sikhs.
There are four yogas. Hence Dharmik Dharmakchakra has four spikes.
The four ashrama which dharmik has to follows is called cycle of life path DharmaChakra
which was followed by Sri Rama which always followed Maryada is called that cyclic path of Dharma (DharmaChakra)
The wheel lift by Sri Krishna on the Adharma(Kauravas) when Arjuna was hesitating to fight the war is called the DharmaChakra. (Sam + Dham + Dhand + Bhed) are also the four spikes of DharmaCharka.
Srimad Bhagavatam 7.5.19 speaks about it.
catustayam—the four diplomatic principles
1. saama, the process of pacifying
2. daana, the process of giving money in charity
3. bheda, the principle of dividing
4. danda, the principle of punishment
After kalyuga again satyuga will come that does not means that people will start wearing dhotis and mukut. These means children born in satyuga will be of good and noble characters they might be wearning space age suites and driving space bikes and mukut in the form of helmet or caps but their values will be noble and not vulgar.
Even Arjuna, Bhima, Nakula, Shadeva, Draupadi got good name for their good deeds and during swargarohan they were not able to attain moksha along with Yudishtra due to their few bad deeds.
Sri Rama being the first perfect Human of our species he becomes our great great.. great grandfather eventhough our species started from viashta manu but sri rama was our the perfect noble Human ancestor and ravana was our perfect criminal ancestor our ancestors because if you look at even your family there can be few good members and few bad members.
Sri Krishnas was the father of all us that is the reason during shrad if you don't remember name the of their father of your great grandfather, at that time Sri Krishna's name is called, since all of us are directly or indirectly descendants from his 16000 wives meanings queens from 16000 tribes uniting vasudhara(bhudevi, earth). If we are descendants of sri krishna then why we fight, it is because of the curse and also if you look logically after become big and having their family two brothers or two sisters fight for their parental properties. Hence Sri Krishna is not the property of only UP and Bihar. It is not any mentions that there were UP, Bihar, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu etc.. during ancient times. Sri Krishna lived most of his later life in Dwaraka which is current Gujarat, Rukmani's father was the king of vidarbha, Sri Krishna stayed in Puri Orrissa. Sri Krishna was called the sampurna avatar of vishnu and even Thirupati Balaji is called real vishnu, it is ironicall that Sri Krishna was during the end of dwarpa yuga and Thirupati balaji was in the begining of kali yuga and as per propehcy Kali Yuga avatar is kalki this clearly states that Sri Krishna and thirupati balaji are one and the same that is the reason why thirupati balaji is also called Govinda. When devi Rukmani(Lakshmi) went away from Sri Krishna at that time lord went till thirupati to find Rukmani. That is the reason why in Puri and Pandarpur and some part of kerala Sri Krishna is prayed alone as vithhala and vithoba.
Pandey of UP/Bihar, Pande of Maharashtra and Pandhyan of Tamil Nadu belong to same tribe. Joshi of UP/bihar, Gujarat, Maharashtra belong to same tribe, Yadavas of UP/bihar, Jadhavs of Maharastra and Yadavas of south indian belong to same tribe.
He might have also taken other avatar in other planets in the solar system, galaxy and universe.
Smt Radha is wife of Sri Krishna. There were many ladies whose names where radha for e.g. even Karna's foster mother's name was radha. The wif of Goshala was some other Radha and not smt Radharani[Radharani is the combined energy of Sridevi(Rukmani) and Bhudevi(satyabaham)].
Kaliyuga requires 7 Bharata ( not as pandavas) for Dharmik Bharata/India.
Yudishtra(Justice), Bhima(Strength), Arjuna(Perfection), Nakula(Analyst), Sahdeva(intelligent), Karna(loyalty for nation), Eklayva(dedication for nation)
This is the reason why Sri Krishna mentions Pandavas as Bharatas, lord also mentions that he himself is Bharata also he mentions that everyone who fought the war were bharatas.
Mahatma Gandhi says that Eshu and Muhammad will always be welcome in Hinduism but it is not true otherway, even it is there in their ancient records that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna were considered as previous prophets and messiahs but their fanatics leadership does not allows comman muslims and christians to accept it. Both eshu acharya and mahammat rishi are mentioned in the Dharmik prophecy much before they were born in Isreal and Arab. Many brhamans also fought along with the grandson of Muhammad in the battle of Karbala.
Preaching of Eshu were combination of Hindu and Buddhist philospy.
There is no records that Gutama Buddha and Mahavira rejected God. They might have not discused this but that does not means that they rejected God. God can be also be considered as Engergy, which can neither be created nor be destroyed. Follwers call it God and Scientist call it energy. If you can't accept anything without proof then howcome you reject anything without proof.
Samrath Ashoka was a Dharmik king. He had many queens few were jains, buddhist, etc... infact his first queen was jain then why would he make his empire as buddhist empire. It is also mentioned that in most of his edicts he mentions himself as Dharmik emperor. He speaks about Dharma. He calls himself Devanpriya(beloved of Gods, remember not just God) That means is he is talking about all ancient practices in ancient Bharata. He infact sent his children from buddhist wife outside india to preach. Every child imagines his father as per his view, few think that their father is Superman, few think that their father is heman, spiderman and so on.. in the same way his jain childrens would have considered him as Jain and buddhist children would have considered him has Buddhist. Only records in Sri lanka mentions about ashoka as buddhist because only those record exists as records in India were destoryed in islamic invansion and many records are preserved among the calipahts like the Mayur throne and many records are preserved in British museum, Vatican museum like Kohinoor and Wagh Nagh.
Shivaji Maharaj Avatar of Shiva born to unite Dharmiks Mentioned by Shri Vivekananda. Shivaji maharaja's destiny spread his fame throughout India and how can few politicians lock him in one particular region. He united all people bhramins, kshtriya, vaisya, shudra, dalits as Maharatha plural and Maharathi singular (Warrior of Chariots word taken from sanskrit Mahabharat)which later on became maratha and marathi.
Kashi ki kala gayee, Mathura mazid Bhaee ghar shivaji nao hoto, sunat hot sabki.
People say that Bihari yadavas are different from Marathi Jadhdav but if you test their DNA, DNA of marathi Jadhav will be closer match with DNA of bihari yadava than Marathi Joshi, whereas DNA of marathi Joshi will be more closer match to Bihari Yadava than Marathi Jadhava. Members of different tribes settled in different regions and when the strong empire like Ashoka fell then rulers developed dialect which was different from the other rulers kingdome in such a way languages were form.
Today if a marathi goes to Tamil nadu he will find it difficult to learn and speak tamil but in anceint time maratha empire spanned even in tamil nadu this means that in anceint times Ancient Marathi and Ancient Tamil and Ancient Bhojpuri, Ancient Maghadi, Ancient Gujarati were all dialects of eachother that is the reason why they were able to sucessfully rule these regions. British were able to rule india because they themselves claim that English was derived from Sanskrit. English script, Latin Scripts were all derived from Bhrami script.
All languages were derived from Prakrit and Prakrit is itself corrupted form of Sanskrit. Language is just a medium of communication for e.g. mobile phone network. It is just an invention by human being when they started staying in society because they felt the need of communicating with other members of society.
But sanskrit is required because all ancient researches and records are coded in sanskrit for e.g. the fuel by which pushpak viman used to fly etc.. if we want to decode it and find out the formula for create that fuel then we will be independent of Arabian Petrol.
It is proved infront of British Officer and has his signature that Mercury can be converted into Gold. Then why we did not have TV and electricity at that time. Those days people were aware of mechanical things. They new about atom but they never or did not felt need of using capactiy of electrons to generate electricity and watch TV. Population was very less and they had other means of entertaiment like ram lila, lok nitrya etc.. which they can watch even with larten.
when mobile first came at that time it was like a suprise for other passerby everyone used to look at the person who used mobile phone but today every common man from rich to poor has a mobile phone in the same way as only few people mostly higher class used to use Pusphak vimana that is the reason for comman man it was just magic. Today as every one used plan and mobile so it became a common thing and not magic.
Mahavira Swami is the Avatar of Lord Shiva. As both are digambars(sky clad). Both are away from any attachments. Both are Naths. both are destroyer of wrong belief (Adharma).
Gautama Buddha is the avatar of lord vishnu, As both are pacifist. Both are preserver of Dharma.
Jhulelal is the preserver. Guru Nanak was the unifier.
Shirdi Sai Baba is the combination of all of these.
Swami Vivekananda was a Dharmik Liberal.
Dharma itself is secular because it contains shaiva, vaishnava, shakta, etc.. buddishts, jains, sikhs..etc.....
What is great thing about Kalki Avatar?
ans: It mentioned mostly by vaishnavas as Kalki the 10th avatar of Vishnu, but shaivas believe that there is another avatar of Shiva, So do Buddhist, Jains belive that another cycle of Thirthankara will start, that means another cycle or Gurus of Sikhs will start, a Messiah will be born, a saviour(prophet) will be born.
This is true about Kalki, Just like Dattarya who is (Bharam, Vishnu, Mahesh), Kalki is the combination of avatar of vishnu, avatar of shiva, avatar of ganesh, etc.. messiah, prophet, guru, thirthankar, Julelal. Kalki will vanquish Adharma because Sat Yuga has to start and it is not easy to end kaliyuga. Treta had to end 1 ravana, Dwapar had to end kauravas, Kaliyuga has to end many wrong beliefs, misconceptions.
After this one chapter of human species will end and a new chapter will start when human species expand outside vasundara.
There were different Indras. What is ARYAN? Aryan is organization like United Nations wherein few members of tribes suras, asuras, rakshash, yavanas...united to form code of conducts that is the reason few rakshash like Prahlad, Ghatojghaj etc.. and few asuras(assriyans) united to fight for dharma.
Assriyans(asura) tribe reject monopoly of Sryians(Suras) and syrians(suras) rejected the monopoly of Assriyans,
bharatas(had many different tribal unions) as vast majority of continent as conquered by Samrath Bharata.
Rakshahs are not asura(assriyans)they were also humans but they practice cannibalism for e.g. few tribes in Africa, America, Australi, Europe and few tribe in remote areas in India. Who follow this rituals for their deads.
Death:-
Few burn
Few bury or take samadhi
Few leave it in Well so that other living beings like Vultures can survive.
Few leave it in forest so that other living beings can survive.
Few do cannabalism so that other living beings can feed but this system spoils the decency of a society because many people can misuse it like the nithari people.
different tribes have different view points of contributing.
But the best option is to donate the organs so that you can make other person's life happier and then to perform ritual as your culture says. You will attain moksha.
One has to aspire for Moksha and not just Swag and narg.
Attaining Moksha our internal soul/energy will assimlate into the Cosmic Soul/Engery AUM.
Why deads generally don't become alive? reason is that when a life takes form on mother's worm it is the AUM(Energy) which initiate like a Deepa. As the physical structure and the environment is applicable for Soul(Energy) manifests or formed like nuclear energy can be created only in SUN or nuclear reactors. Once the body is formed and it comes out of womb it becomes rigid and so it is difficult for the Soul/energy to manifest or to be formed. Just like how atta can be made to roti but once roti is formed then it can't be mixed with other atta and again form a roti. But it can be possible under certain mystical(for those who belive inMystic)/scientifical(for those who belive in Science). But if you do that then you will delay your time to attain moksha. There is no point in living thousands of years when generations or human species around you are going to change and you will be either isolated or feel discrimated by the changing Human species.
End time a person sees bright light this not the room tubelight or bulb or sunlight but the light of AUM(Energy) he/she attains moksha but if they see darkness this does not means night or dark room, then their soul/energy converts from one form to another in other words wanders. This has got nothing to do with color of skin.
White colored skin does not means that they are high race nor does black colored sikn proves that they are divine. If whites considers that being black is a deficiency of skin the even being white also a deficiency of skin. Color of the skin is formed mostly due to astmospheric reason and then genetic reason. for e.g. the africans who are staying in Ameican since centuries have become a bit fairer than their counterparts in Africa and the Europeans living in Africa have become darker then their counterparts in Europe.
Same applies to ARYAN/DRAVIDIAN divide based on skin colors.
Ancestors of Sri Rama also belonged to Tamil Region.
ARYAN is just an organization formed with certain rules:-
a) Accepting Vedas
b) Not to fight after sunset
c) Not to hurt researchers and intellects
d) Live and Let live
e) Defend our dignity
f) Do hurt fleeing enemy
most of these rules were violated during Kurukshetra.
Also, it is found a trend that most whites consider themselves as Aryans, first of all only those who follow vedas are ARYANS. If they are consider themselves as ARYANS then they should leave christianity. Also, only those consider ARYANS who have respect for fellow Human beings, if they consider themselves as ARYANS then they should respect even Dark skinned people.
Swastika does not helps in War if it would have helped then hitler would have not lost the war.
Swastika is a symbol of peace hence misuse of swastika can bring negative effect. That is the reason why hilter fell. If white race of American Gangsters don't stop using Swastika then they will end miserably.
That is the reason swastika was never used in any ancient flags of any ancient Indian samrath or king. It is only used in dharmik preachers flags who talk about peace, equality, and non-violence.
Swastika was also used by Ancient Jews, Arabas for Goodluck.
Please don't play with Dharmik Swastika.
In Dharmik tradition Swastika was never used for war by kings they might have used for religious purposes but never for war.
Why don't people remember about their past life?
Ans: Your body + your soul/energy = you
other body + your soul/energy = other identity
because the brain is in body and not in soul
If you do any wrong deeds then you will have to pay in the same life.
What is the good point that you do wrong thing in this life and in next life you are good person and you repent for the wrong thing done in this life. In this way message will be conveyed that you can do any bad thing in this life and don't worry about the next life as you wont remember and even if you do good things in this life then still you will get punished in this life for the wrong thing done in previous life.
Everyone even in Ramayana and Mahabharat who have done good have got good results in same life and whoever had done bad have got bad results in same life. What is the point in punishing a person in next life when he/she does not remembers for what he is being punished. A person is punished so that he understand that he/she had done something wrong for which he/she should be punished so that the don't commit it again. For e.g. if you are criminals then you might be either encountered or shot by another gangster in the same life. If you are a fraudster you cheat many people because of you they suffer then you are either shot, accident etc... Because of busy life you don't remember what wrong things you have done?
There is a story:- a man, a dog and a horse always cross a small stream of pond by foot one day there is lot of rain at that time a fish in the pond easily moves from one end to another, a horse just had to run to other place faster to find another way to go cross the pond but when man reaches there even that place gets filled with water as he is slower than horse, he sees to sky and finds that even birds can cross the pond by flying and then he starts criticising God that you gave fish the ability to swim, you gave bird the ability to fly, even a dog which had never entered water you gave it ability to swim across and the horse was so fast enough to reach to the other end from other place, you made man weak. To This god replies:- "I, have given you brain, if you want to cross the pond then you can learn swiming, or you create a boat, you can even manufacture ships and sail across oceans, you can manufacture vehicles to move faster than horse, you can also ride the horse and move faster, you can manufacture plane and fly across continents, you can manufacture rockets and move out of space. you can control these animals but they can't control you. You elect leaders then ask them to build the bridge across the pool, instead you and your leaders they work for human welfare and you criticize God. You give votes to your leaders and criticize God for not doing your work. Now choose one of the above alternatives and make your way or wait till the ponds water becomes less.
Only thing is that if you do bad things you won't get moksha and you wander and if do good you get moksha you don't have have to wander for remaining brahma day and 1 full brahma night. You might take life form in other Bhrama Day. That means you don't have to go through all those suffering again for e.g. schools, colleges, rains, heats, hatred, fights, body pains etc....
Ravana who had ten heads (meaning ability to think and intellectual like 10 individuals not physical ten heads) was punished in same life. Kansa was punished in same life, Duryodhana was punished in same life, Hitler who burnt many innocents also did not got peaceful death even he was burnt by himself. That means you get what you did in same life but in different form.
Hindus should start paying homage even Jain, Buddhist, Sikh temples. They should maintain vegetarism during Jain festivals and rest part of the year they can follow whichever food habits they have. They should also celebrate Mahavir Jayanti, Budh Poornima and Guru Nanak Jayanti, pay respect to Julelal Sai.
Buddhist should also celebrate Jain festivals and should maintain vegetarism during Jain festivals rest part of the year they can follow whichever food habits they have. They should also celebrate Ram Navami and Krishna Jamnastami because both were considered as mahapurusha in their practice too. They should also celebrate Mahavir Jayanti and Guru Nanak Jayanti, pay respect to Julelal Sai.
Jains should celebrate Ram Navami and Krishna Jamastmai and Budh Poornima. They should also celebrate Budh Poornima and Guru Nanak Jayanti, pay respect to Julelal Sai.
sikhs should also celebrate Ram Navami and Krishna Jamastmai and Budh Poornima. They should also celebrate Mahavir Jayanti, Budh Poornima and pay respect to Julelal Sai.
Once Hindus start this trend then the buddhists, Jains and sikhs will follow.
This will unite Dharmiks.
Eating non-veg is not crime but killing innocent animal just for fun it is crime because even animal including Human is born to follow Scientific Food Pyramid. Deer eats grass, and Tiger eats Deer, this is to maintain ecological balance. But at the same time deer is given horn to protect itself with the horn it has the ability to injure tiger in it's defence. Because even plants have life there by eating it means that indirectly you are hurting any living being but it is done for survival and not for fun or entertainment. If you eat one chicken the ensure that chicken species are not endangered, if you eat one plant the ensure that that plant species is not endangered.
Very,very interesting topics! Thank you Ashutosh and Abhilash. Always learning something new. different names, different paths but same "luksh" - One GOD
Different Avatars supporting different human species of darwin theory. It can be assumed that Darwin might have got the idea of evolution from Indian culture:-
Vaivasvata Manu (7th Manu & current), Shri Parashurama, Shri Rama, Sri Krishna and we are current mordern Vaivasvata Manu species.
Hanuman can be from H. Neandarthalis human species
vaman can be from H. floresiensis human species(smaller sized ancient human recently discovered)
Narashima can be form H. Ergaster human species(Facial structure e.g. nose and facial hair looks like Lion, sharp cannine teeths bigger than ours and similar to lions but not big like lion's cannine teeth. Since this species was not full human and not full ape(animal))
Jambwant can be from H. Habilis human species (Their species started before Homo Ergaster but they are longest surviving member hence Jambavant's life span is more as mentioned in our ancient texts. May be yeti belong to Homo Habilis. Also the word Jamba means huge i.e. Jambavant means tall or huge Man. Plent of bodily Hair. Yeti 8-10-x feet tall)
Varah can be from Paranthropus robustus human species(like facial characteristics was like pig's nose)
check their pics in image search their visualization looks like avatar's description. Their timeline matches with puranas description.
Jaina Adinath and Shaiva Adinath are one and same. Both are called digambar(skyclad). Jaina Adinath is called Rishabdev and Shiva is the lord of Nandi(Rishaba). Rishabdev went himalayas even Shiva is in himalayas. Rishabdev is called Tirthankara(liberator) and Vishnu is called Tahranhara(liberator) and first buddha before Gautama Buddha was called Thanakara, Gautam Buddha was 28th Buddha.
Gomateshwara(Bhaubali) and Ganapati might be one and same because both are second child of their father Jaina Adinath and Shaiva Adinath(Shiva). Both were given big position for e.g. Bhaubali was made leader of Rishabdev followers called Ganas and Ganapati was made the leader of Gana hence became Ganesh(Ganoka Ishwar in Hindi). Both of their life had the concept of elephant ego. As per shaiva the head of the egoist elephant was cut off and bhaubali did not attain keval gyana because he was on elephant ego.
Both were beautiful hence gomat-eshwara. In southeast asian description Ganapati is a normal human being with having crown of Elephant it was also a practice in some Indo-greek kings to wear a crown which resembles elephant head. Jaina means winner and Gyana means one who conquers knowledge and hence Jaina and Gyana are same that is the reason why their nirvana is called keval gyana. Buddha means Buddhi which also means knowledge. Dharma means pool of Gyana, Buddhi, Bkhati, etc....
As per the court's order HINDU means nationality and so inplace of our religion start mentioning DHARMA AND WE ARE DHARMIK, no matter what our practice is shaiva, vaishnava, shakta, buddhist, jains, sikhs, etc... , no matter what our vansh is becuase you might be BSC your brother or sister might be BCom or Doctor or Engineer does that means that you don't have blood relation with them. UNITE WE STAND.
DHARMA IS THE WORD always said by Shiva, Vishnu, Bhrama, Shri Rama, Shri Krishna, Gautam Buddha, Mahavira Swami, Guru Nanak, Sai Baba...etc.. and not invented by an single individual this is the reason why we are more Secular than others. If we loose our culture we loose our secular ethos. ... note that child marriage, sati sacrifice is not our culture it was imposed by few feeble minded people, because if sati sacrifice was really our culture then Kunti would not have lead her five childrens to noble life. Our problem is that wrong things are emphasized and practice and right things are burnt and ignored.
Sorry of the typo I meant to say that Marathi Jadhav's DNA will be close match to Bihari Yadav, Kannad Yadav, Telugu Yadav, whereas Marathi Joshi's DNA will be closer match to Bihari Joshi, UP Joshi, Gujarati Joshi etc... Chhatrpati Shivaji from father's side was Suryvanshi/Raghuvanshi/sisodia Rajput kstriiya and from mother's side was Chandravanshi/Yaduvanshi/Jadhavanshi Kstriya. Hence Chhatripati Shivaji maharaj was noble like Sri Rama and strategist like Sri krishna. Because both Sri Rama and Sri Krishna were his ancestor and also his inspiration.
vegitarian argue that those who eat non-veg are more violent than those who eat veg. In that case how come an elephant which eats grass because violent and destruct each and everything on it's way and dog which eats non-veg remains humble to it's master.
on the other hand non-veg argue that eating non-veg makes them strong then how come elephant veg eater is more stronger than dog a non-veg eater.
To explain in today's terminology:-
People should concentrate on their own relation to God like their private telephonic conversation with God by their gsm or cdma network and not bother worry about other's private telephonic conversation with god but their gsm or cdma network.
kurma avatar can be Australopithecus afarensis species because Kurma means tortosie, it can also mean that features of tortise. Now, tortoise has thick and curve shell which can be inferred as thick back now Australopithecus afarensis are that species from which mordern apes(chimpazees etc..) and Human species evolved. Australopithecus afarensis species backbone was curved whereas we have striaght backbone. Remember people who suffer from hunchback disorder their back looks like tortoise shell and due to which they move slow. Same is the case of Australopithecus afarensis which has curved and rigid back. Also, the teeth structure are not well developed it is not like modern apes and mordern humans. Hence it can be concluded that kurma avatar was from Australopithecus afarensis species.
Mastya Avatar can be either be just inspiration from god which helped Manu to create a boat which appears like a fish hence the boat which saved him can became saviour. Just like even today if we are saved from some object then we consider it as lucky. Something just like in Deewar movie that 786 badge. Or else Mastya Avatar may be that Human species which could survive in water's less amount of oxygen. ...........May be discovered in future....who knows what is going to come out from within the earth and from space.
Kalki avatar may be wearing dress like us i.e. pant and shirt and may be riding motor bike(which represent mechanical horse). Remeber that he is going to come in Kaliyuga hence his appearance will be like today's or future generation.
remember many ancient texts are written and said in poetic form. hence it contains metaphor (figure of speech). this is true also incase of greek legend Illiyad and Odyssey. But they have proved that it is history and not Mythology. Remember Mythology means Myth. Hence historizing and scientifying of our records is much of a need in todays world. Don't forget that our ancient elders were scientist and discoverer hence we were able to calculate the distance between Moon and Earth before NASA calculated it and indians discovered america before europeans. Both Yeshu and Mahammat were predicted in Bahvisya Purana. why during Haj people were white clothes and maintain vegetarism for 1 month? This is clearly showed they that borrowed all these things from INDIA.
Why christian don't accept that Kashmir is the place where Yeshu had taken samadhi? Currently muslims are holding the possession of this samadhi and they say it as dargah but they should remember that islam started only after 600 AD and Christianity spreaded in 300 AD only in Europe and Middle east but this samadhi mandir was much before 300 AD and 600 AD and that entire region was ruled by Dharmik kings. This clearly proves that Dharmiks are the rightful owner of Yeshu's Samadhi in kashmir. We dharmiks always accept everyone as said by Mahatama Gandhi "There is always a place for Jesus and Mohammad in Hinduism but they don't accept Ram, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Julelal sai, Guru Nanak, Sai Baba". For e.g. Vavar swami is a muslim disciple of Aiyyapa swami of Kerala, yet Hindus give respect to him, there are many such instances wherein Muslim & Christain saints like Mother teressa are respected by Dharmiks. The real problem is that Romans wants to rule the world hence it emphasizes on Roman Chatolic and slams other forms of christianity and the Arab Sunni wants to rule the world hence it emphasize on Sunni Islam and slams other forms of Islam. They are ones who are not secular and not we.
We Dhramik respect all religion hence we are secular by birth and till death. But we will not bow before anyone because we don't and won't become slave of any Roman and Arab imperliasim.
European colonists learnt our languages and conquered us even we will do the same tit for tat learn their languages and conquer them but at the same time help in brining back Sanskrit which samakarn script in mainstream to unite Indians and end regionalism. They used and exploited our wealth and natural resources hence should conquer their langauges. Why should we allow them to go free? They should return back all the monuments of India which is stored in their british museum. For e.g. WaghNak of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, Kohinoor etc...
use and develop newly invented samakarn script by an Indian inorder to attract modern youth to sanskrit.
"SWARAJ is brithright and I shall Have it" said by Lokmanya Tilak.
"SWARAJ is our brithright and we shall retain it" should be said by all Dharmiks.
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Bro, try finding out about AUM, Dharma & DHARMIK, I am irrelevant, If I answer Who I am? then that makes me no different than any PAKANDI out there who is defaming our Dharma. I am not here to become Famous. I am a common man I prefer to earn and feed myself. I want Shaivas, Vaishnavas, Shaktas, Buddhist, Jains, Sikhs etc.. to unite as Dharmiks and end this nonsense which is going on in the name or caste, sect and language. Because there is yet to achieve as MANUS we have not discovered everything and to Regain past glory of our INDIA.
When the so called western country was living in tents we used to live in 3 to 4 storeyed building in INDUS VALLEY with proper drainage system. When constantinople was conquered by turks then why did all these Europeans sent voyages to find out new trade routes to India during this time they discovered America and now they are considering us as CHEAP. If we are not greater than them then even we are not less then them. HENCE WE ARE EQUALES. = =. I want that our Indian descendants should be first ones to occupy Mars and other extraterritorial planets. I want Indian to be the first one to land on Mars. It was our ISRO which discovered Water in Moon and all credits NASA took, when so called NASA sent so many voyages to Moon they why could not they find water earlier. It can be 2 possibilities that a) they might have never landed on moon or b) they are dumb to not to water when they pshyically landed on moon.
Dharmik Saint Bohdyana invents shatkone trikone and it is named after phytagoras then person who just translated it to the west.
Chanakaya wrote Arthashastra which can defend us from any economical breakdown. Eventhough it is written in that era we just have to replace the word like Raja(leader of those days) to leader of our times. Replace words like barter system to money system for implementing it to todays world.
Mahajanapada was the ancient republic formed much before Roman republic.
Why credit is not given to the real person who really invented it? They are many people still who invent good things but such things are not given proper patronages. There are many shows for songs and dance but there is no talent hunt for finding out modern ARYABHATTA. Songs, Dance and entertainment is also important but knowledge is much more important. It comes along with Food, Clothing & Shelter and forms the fourth spike of DharmaCharka. Why efforts are not done to redevelop Nalanda etc..?
In Dharma no one is bigger or smaller we all are equals.
shiavas are equal to buddhist, Jains, sikhs, viashnavas, shaktas etc..
viashnavas are equal to buddhist, Jains, sikhs, shiavas, shaktas etc..
shaktas are equal to to buddhist, Jains, sikhs, viashnavas, shiavas etc..
Buddhist are equal to to shiava, Jains, sikhs, viashnavas, shaktas etc..
Jains are equal to to buddhist, vaishnavas, sikhs, shiavas, shaktas etc..
sikhs are equal to to buddhist, Jains, shaktas, viashnavas, shiavas etc..
Doors are open even for Muslims & Christains but provided they should regain their self respect and stop being slave of Romans and Arabs. If they want to abolish slavery then they should stop being slave of foreingers in the name of religion. If god is everywhere and the creator of all then there is no point in praying in one particular direction. This is the reason why there are many holy places in Dharma and only GOD/Energy is the superior authority in Dharma and not any sadhu, pandit, Pope, Iman or Caliph
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar said that SANSKRIT is not the property one particular group of people and so there is no harm in accepting SANSKRIT. Just like water, just because few people claim that water belongs to them then will you stop drinking water. SANSKRIT IS WATER AND AIR. WE SURVIVED TILL NOW IT IS BECAUSE OF IT.
What are ganas?
ans:- there are 27 nakashatra in jyotish sashtra which are divided into 3 ganas called a) dev gana, b) Manush gana, c) rakshas gana. Now you can be dev gana and your own blood brother and sister can be of manush gana or rakshas gana. This just shows your qualities as explained in varna. Hence this can also be one of the classification in which Puranas mentions Devas, Manav and Rakshas etc.. they might be pure humans but they were born in different Nakshatras which fell into one of the 3 groups of ganas. It does not means that all those who have rakshahs gana are evil and all those who have deva gana are noble. the only thing is that rakshas gana people are more aggressive they may be hardworking but will tend to get angry first if they don't get their result of their work on time and deva gana people are calm and Manav gana people are hardworking and non-complaining as compared to other ganas.
There is no restriction in DHARMA to introspect our Dharmik records unlike Islam and Christianity. Remember that our ancestors were researchers, scientist, mathematicians, authors etc.. hence we have their BRAIN which is given by GOD for Human/Manush to use just like how tiger/lion uses it claws and teeth and plants use their roots and stem etc..
Remember if you don't have QUESTIONS u will never have ANSWERS. Even entire BHAGWAD GITA IS THE session of question and answer between Shri Krishna and Arjuna. Always to differentiate between belief and superstitious.
Even Sri Krishna said "Karm Kar Phal Ki Chinta Mat kar" but people commonly say that Sri Krishna said "Karm Kar Phal ki Ichcha Mat Kar" there is difference between chinta(Worry) and iccha(desire). If you don't desire then you will definitely not working to work towards acheiving your goals. When they say that Buddha and Mahavira did tapasiya to attain Nirvana and Keval Gyana then it also means that they desired to obtain knowledge. But if you keep on Worring they you will definitely effect your body that is the reason why it is said that Just do your work and don't worry but if you don't desire then you will not going to do anything and then nothing would have been invented, discovered for e.g. 0(shuyna), distance of mooon from earth, shatkone trikone, Ram Sethu, Taj Mahal made by Maharaja Jai Singh
Taj Mahal is another example wherein work done by one person (maharaj Jai singh) and the credit is given to someone else(Shahajahan) it is something like you are doing all hardwork dedicatedly in your office and other person is promotted.
Something like Kuber's lanka went to Ravana.
Shahajahen's tajmahal was the black structure which he was not able to complete and due to which in anger he chopped off the hands of all workers.
The tomb inside the TajMahal has a Kalash on top of it which is not present in any other Islamic Dargah or monuments. That Kalash represent the Kalash above Shiv Linga and the other tomb infront is actually the place of Nandi. Why researchers are not allowed to Discover and find out the truth. if claims are false then accept it, but if truth then give credit to real creator.
All higher caste people are not bad or cruel if that was then case then why would a Brahmin will pray to Rama a Kstriya and Krishna a Vaishya by profession and Kstriya by birth.
Why would Sri Rama eat bhel from Shabri? Why would Sri Rama allowed and sanctioned Ramayana written by tribal Valmiki?
How come a tribal Valmiki became a SAGE/Rishi Valmiki and respected by all ancient Indians? Why did Sri Rama childern trained from Sage Valmiki?
This shows that in those days caste system was like todays class system (high class, middle class and low class anyone can change his class). It became a pioson later on when half knowledge people or cunning corrupt people misused it for their benefits.
As it has already became a mess hence Caste system should be completely boycotted and even regionalism should be completely boycotted otherwise regionalism will replace caste system. It took 2000 years to come out of caste discrimination and now you can imagine that it will take more 2000 years more for come out of this regionalism hence before it grows stop it at once. Ortherwise by that time foreingers will colonize other planets and we will be busy sorting out regional disputes.
If china and japan can manufacture electronics and computer goods then so can even Indians. If they give proper training for manufacturing electronics and computer goods in school then even Indian childrens can be trained in school. Those who are not good in maths can be taught technical studies from 7 to 10th something like ITI and this certificate should be valid like 10th standard certificate so that they can take admission in any diploma college and later on into engineer college in this way their career will not be spoiled and they and society can make use of their skills. If china is selling a good for e.g. at Rs. 100 and which lasts for 6 months then even Indian can manufacture goods and sell it for a price of Rs. 150 and which will last for more than 2 years in this way India can be economical superpower and all chineese goods will be replaced by Indian goods as demand for it will increase and this will also generate oppertunities for Indian Youths to show their talent, note it should not be compulsory to citizen to buy but it will give citizen an option to get better goods in affordable rates. Indian products can also be exported to other countries and so in turn India can again become GOLDEN BIRD. Just like in ancient times when we used to sell spices and other handicraft products.
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