The video below compares the concept of beginning and end of universe in Hinduism with that of modern cosmology. The video is presented by Carl Edward Sagan - an American astronomer and astrobiologist and a highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics, and other natural sciences.
Below is the transcript of the video. This is because the subject matter is very complex and you might need repeated listening.
Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite number of deaths and rebirths.
It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the earth or the sun and about half of the time since the big bang. And there are much longer time scales still.
There is the deep and the appealing notion that the universe is but the dream of the god who after a 100 Brahma years… dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep… and the universe dissolves with him… until after another Brahma century… he starts… recomposes himself and begins again the dream… the great cosmic lotus dream.
Meanwhile… elsewhere… there are an infinite number of other universes… each with its own god… dreaming the cosmic dream…
These great ideas are tempered by another perhaps still greater it is said that men may not be the dreams of the gods but rather that the gods are the dreams of men.
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The most elegant and sublime of these bronzes is a representation of the creation of the Universe at the beginning of each cosmic cycle – a motif known as the cosmic dance of Shiva. The god has four hands. In the upper right hand is the drum whose sound is the sound of creation. And in the upper left hand is a tongue of flame… a reminder that the universe now newly created… will billion of years from now will be utterly destroyed. Creation. Destruction.
These profound and lovely ideas are central to ancient Hindu beliefs as exemplified in this Chola temple at …. They are kind of reminiscent of modern astronomical ideas. Without doubt the universe has been expanding since the big bang but it is by no means clear that it will continue to expand for ever. If there is less than a certain amount of matter in the universe, then the mutual gravitation of the receiving galaxies will be insufficient to stop the expansion and the Universe will run away forever. But if there is more matter than we can see…hidden away in black holes… say or in hot but invisible gas between galaxies, then the universe holds together, and partakes in every Indian succession of cycles… expansion followed by contraction… cosmos upon cosmos…Universes without end. If we live in such an oscillating universe, then the Big Bang is not the creation of the cosmos but merely the end of the previous cycle the destruction of the last incarnation of the cosmos.
Neither of these modern cosmologies may be altogether to our liking. In one cosmology, the universe is created somehow from nothing 15 to 20 billion years ago and expands forever. The galaxy is mutually receding until the last one disappears over our cosmic horizon. Then the galactic astronomers are out of business… the stars cool and die…matter itself decays…and the Universe becomes a thin cold haze of elementary particles.
In the other, the oscillating universe, the cosmos has no beginning and no end… and we are in the midst of an infinite cycle of cosmic deaths and rebirths. With no information trickling through the cusps of the oscillation…nothing of the galaxies, stars, planets, life forms, civilizations evolved in the previous incarnation of the universe trickles through the cusp filters past the Big Bang to be known in our universe.
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Great video, thank you for sharing the link. Unfortunately it's now been removed from YouTube.
Thanks for reminding that the video has been removed from YouTube. Luckily i had downloaded the same. Now uploaded in the blogger videos. Thanks to the person who had originally uploaded it.
Wow! Great stuff.
hi. where can i obtain the video?
shyam
Namaste, the Video is in the middle of the content. The video was previously available in Youtube but later it was removed. This current video is hosted on the blogger site itself.
The time cycle given above is exactly correct. with god's blessing i understood. i know what is kalpam, brahma etc. i was shocked to see water on the head of siva. it is only a scientific truth. i have not disclosed this so far. the age of brahma is scientifically correct.
you say: "It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology"
why say "by accident"? nothing is by accident, and the ancient vedic science is a precise science, and with more knowledge and wholeness than any other science
I did not say it. It is the transcript of the video... it is the words of Carl Sagan.
yes, he did ... thank you, and thank you for making this beautiful site ..
it just drew my attention because it seems that scientifically it's impossible to make an 'accident' with such precision... - so how can a scientist, astronomer and astrobiologist, think it's an accident?
:)
Why is this video no longer available.... i wanted to see...
The video is available....be a bit patient if you are using a slow connection....you can see it
thank you so much.
i can now begin to understand the basis behind the concept of reincarnation.
I am very thankful for your site and the site with links below:
Brahmaa's Age:
http://us.geocities.com/sushmajee/hindureligion/index.htm
http://us.geocities.com/sushmajee/hindureligion/glossary/time-2.htm
http://us.geocities.com/hindupuraan/upanishad/mundak/mund-oprolog.htm
In Hindu, Brahma also doesn't know what the real form of Brahm is, therefore Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv also meditate always to know the Brahm.
The Mundakopnishad and Katha, ... Upnishads have very clearly defined the Brahm and its Illusion i.e. we ourselves and our world.
I copied it from the link, please go though link for more details:
Sat 4,800 Divine-years x 360* = 1,728,000 Human-years
Tretaa 3,600 Divine-years x 360 = 1,296,000 Human-years
Dwaapar 2,400 Divine-years x 360 = 864,000 Human-years
Kali 1,200 Divine-years x 360 = 432,000 Human-years
Total = 12,000 Divine-years x 360 = 4,320,000 Human-years
*because
1 Human-year = 1 Divine-day
360 Divine-days = 1 Divine-year
therefore,
360 Human-years = 1 Divine-year
therefore,
4,320,000 Human-years x 1,000 4-Yug period
= 4,320,000,000 years = Brahmaa's day = 4,320,000,000 years = Brahmaa's night
the above time scales are correct and are consistent with Vedic Scriptures.
Dear Friends,
I see that some said that the time calculations in this section regarding the manifestation of the universe are correct because the scriptures say so. So what? The question is: have these calculations been realized and not just understood intellectually?
For example, why is 24 the basic number of time? Because 8 X 3 = 24. Each guna folds eight times to complete a circle and the three are ever together. What is a fold? A fold is a bend of space which makes time, measurable motion.
But why eight folds? Because matter (akasa) is flat like the surface of the ocean without waves. A wave must rise four folds before it can turn back upon itself making a circle.
Any comments regarding the correctness of my analysis will be greatly appreciated.
By the way, I did not read this in any book.
It is injustice to say that the time scales provided in the Hindu religion correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology 'BY ACCIDENT' diluting the statement further with the words 'WITH OUT DOUBT'. This is unjustifiable rejection of documented truths in the Hindu scriptures mainly on the basis of the ill founded doubt that people of those ages could not postulate such great revelations. Whatever the author says thereafter becomes just 'stuff' as he is a non-believer of truth.
Dear Abhilash,
Where or what is the origin of a theory, concept or a general law in Hinduism?
I have ever found (in your blog also) that anyone can state a concept of himself and say it is a concept of Hinduism.
Otherwise, quote for me the exact verses in any books or scripts of Hinduism where "concept of beginning and end of universe in Hinduism" is defined.
And "Hindu religion….. dedicated to the idea that the cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite number of deaths and rebirths"….
gladnews
Dear Abhilash,
I continually have problems posting my comments. If you can be of assistance, that would be great. Otherwise, I will probably discontinue this blog.
Dear Arthur IE6 and chrome users are having some trouble in posting comments. The easy way is to simply send it once again means don't retype just click the button a second time - when the message says ur comment could not be send.
All blogger comments have this issue and we can only hope it will be sorted out soon...
There is no problem for firefox users..
Thanks for the hanuman chalisa & great insight of this great religion. A great learning.
It is an interesting video to watch and to know some basics of hinduism. In saivaite thought, the concept of incarnation is not accepted. I have read this detail from many scholarly writings including one by Mr. Viswanthapillai. The author of the video says here that the 7th century Chola sculptures in the Hindu temples are various incarnations of Shiva. Can you please explain?. Secondly for a statement such as scietific, truth etc. are to be substantiated by exact scriptural references. According to the Advaita philosophy the cosmos is eternal, which would mean the creation is ex-deo. can you please clarify.
Thanks
Bavani Rajan
Good post...
For Mr.Gladnews, who asked scriptures to be quoted - you can find them in as many places as you can put your hand on but the first places to start are -
Naasadiya Sukta of Rig Veda or the Creation Hymn. I'm producing the Sanskrit verse in English here
- Na-asat-aaseeth no-sat-aaseeth, tadaaseeth.....
- Then even nothingness was not, nor was existence....(AL Basham's translation)
You can google for AL Basham and find the whole translation of it if you are such an earnest seeker..
This sukta gives some of the most profound statements EVER made on the origin, existence and dissolution of the Universe...
Hiranya Garbha Sukta - it is almost like the BIG BANG theory written down in print, only millions of years earlier...
The mystique of Sanathana Dharma (as a matter of fact i don't use the word HINDU - it is a misnomer or the Eternal Religion is that it needs to be approached by an earnest seeker WITHOUT the blinkers of MODERNITY or OBSCURANTISM...that is indeed the reason why it is a UNIVERSAL and ETERNAL religion - some of the earnest "religious" followers also make mistakes in trying to "curve-fit" Science in to the concepts of the Sanathana Dharma...to be fair, both are two different paths to talk about the same reality that creates, sustains and dissolves whatever we can see, feel or imagine..
he probably said its 'accidental' as he doesn't wish to be targeted by american and european 'geniuses' who probably prefer to imagine their own scientific minds had formulated such theories all by themselves. one word to them - lol!
Can some one tell me how to see the video.. I tried for an hour, couldn't make it out. Please let me know if the video is available in any other link.
Thanks
Hey the video is working fine you must be using IE6. Youtube videos are not available in Internet Explorer 6
JOSEPH BAVANI RAJAN said...
"In Saivism Incarnation is not accepted".
This may be false since many incarnations of Shiva are already mentioned in the Puraanaas even.
To start with, the creation story itself goes that Shiva & Parvati incarnated as different beings from Fish to Animals to Humans and children were born in each species populating the earth with so many different and varied living & non-living things.
The Saivite principles deeply believe that each of us are incarnations of Shiva himself that our ultimate goal is to merge with Shiva to being one with Him.
The practitioner of Yoga (Join with the Self/God) always repeats the Mantra : "Shivo-Aham" = meaning I am SHIVA. (trying to re-affirm the oneness with the Lord). Advaita philosophy of Sri Sankara (undoubtedly the greatest philosophy on the Self and its relationship with the Super-Consciousness) is basically a derivative of the Saivaite Philosophy taken to perfection. Though however, Sankara also established the same principle of Advaita in the Bhagawad Gita commenting about the world's most wonderful 'SONG OF THE LORD.' that is the essence of the World's most wonderful philosophy of human-hood namely the Upanishads.
Please read this in Detail and more blogs on scientific interpretations of Hinduism ramanan50.wordpress.com
TIME- A Perspective.
Is Time Cyclic or Linear?
Time is non linear. It is Cyclic. Cyclic theory of Time in Hinduism.
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Indian Philosophy recognizes the limitations of human mind and abilities. It knows that one is restricted by space and time, which does not afford him the luxury of understanding things as they are. Any perception or understanding is conditioned by the twin spectacles of Space and Time (Immanuel Kant in Critique of Pure Reason.)To understand things as they are is beyond human ability. Let us say that we want to know whether there are any particles that travel at a higher velocity than light. (It has been proved theoretically that they exist).If we want to prove them by direct experience rather than inference, we need to be in motion in tune with the particle traveling faster than the velocity of light (Einstein circumvented this problem by theorizing that if an object were to travel at a higher velocity than that of light, it would no longer remain matter. (Theory of Relativity.)
But this not the correct answer. Imagine, we travel at a higher velocity than the velocity of light, not withstanding the fact that we may no longer remain as matter, what happens?
We may be able to observe the particle traveling at a higher velocity than light. But, in the process of observing this phenomenon, we no longer remain in our normal original state. That is to say we have changed our plane of existence to that of the object traveling at a higher velocity.
This means to understand, in the realms of Higher Physics, if one needs to observe things of a different coordinates, one needs to move to the same level of existence....read on.
Carl Sagan On God(s)-"Why Not Save A Step?" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkZNnD99Ap4
This also describes sankranti or pongal ( winter solstice )
Beautiful Article...
Sagan was right when he said "It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology".
Let us take a closer look at hindu cosmology. (The timelines are from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_measurement. Correct me if they are wrong)
One day of Brahma (4.32 billion years ) consists of 1000 mahayugas. Each mahayuga has 4 yugas. In the current Brahma's day, 27 mahayugas have elasped. 28th is in progress with the present yuga being Kaliyuga. So around 120 million years (1 mahayuga = 4.32 million years. 27*4.32 + (4.32 - 0.43) = 120.096) have elapsed out of the 4.32 billion years of the current Brahma's day. According to modern science, the age of the Earth is around 4.54 billion years whereas according to hindu cosmology, the age of the current cosmos is just 120.096 million years.
Also at the end of a mahayuga, Kalki appears and cleans up the Earth of sin. This usually involves some sort of catastrophe. According to hindu cosmology, 27 such cleansings should have taken place at 4.32 million years apart. But modern science has no record of such cleansings.
According to science humans evolved around 400,000 - 250,000 years ago. But as per hindu cosomology humans have always existed, so in the current cycle they have been around for 120 million years. Even if we consider only the current mahayuga, at least 3.88 million years have elapsed and humans were there in all of that time. Again science has no evidence of humans dating back to 3.88 million years ago.
Even if we extend the creation/destruction cycle of the cosmos to 100 years of Brahma and not to one day of Brahma, and that 50 years have elapsed, it would give the current age of the cosmos to around 155 trillion years. Again science doesn't agree with that number.
So of all the numbers only 4.32 billion years comes close to a scientific number (age of Earth). Other numbers are off by a large margin when compared with the values given by science.. Maybe that is why Sagan said that it was an accident.
You are viewing the concept of God a something finite, something we can measure.science cannot even explain or prove complete authenticity of Vedas.It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen or much less fully understood them. To view rebirth,chain of Yugas or death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it.’
Scientists have made great strides with their speculations, postulations, hypothesis and analysis of the creation or the universe we live in. Yet we see that the latest theories always seem to have some imperfections and exceptions.Albert Einstein professed atheism, he agreed that "there is a perfect "brain" behind all the natural physical laws. It is common sense that there is some cause behind each action. Even machines cannot run automatically without an "operator" to turn them on or repair them. There is no logical reason for ruling out in advance alternative strategies for explaining the creation and it's constituent parts. Yet, the vast majority of scientists reject outright any argument in favor of design since such a concept is not reducible to physical processes and simple mathematics.We think this approach of the scientists is unscientific .When the senses are extended by microscopes and telescopes, they have a greater range, but we are still limited to the material sphere. The telescope cannot penetrate the outermost cover of the universe and the microscope lens is composed of atoms and therefore cannot see the atom or anything smaller than the atom. Likewise, the system of mental speculation is also insufficient to perceive the spiritual element. Mind is a material element whose density is very slight, yet it's speculations are no more spiritual than hard rocks. There is a common belief that by extending the potency of the mind we can conceive the infinite, but this process is defective. If the infinite can be confined within a limited mind, it is not infinite. I don't even know how many hairs are on my own head. Mental speculators grind their brains over abstract aphorisms of Zen aand think that by their own power they can achieve something like infinity. The result is that the mind explodes and dies of exhaustion. And the reaction is deplorable: total forgetfulness of the self and the infinite.Now if you call cosmic age Brahma's calander,it is far beyond than scope of human mind to PROVE and further is cosmic age...and based on evidences it seems a child creating illusion of his own imagination based on some thing he called evidence.And yes that's the problem with human mind we need reasons all the time and die exhausted without complete answer.Goal should be devotion to God or if you are way practical than self realization.
@Rashmi
At one point Vedas were science. To the people living at that time, Vedas were the perfect explanation of the world around them. But science isn't static. Our understanding of the Universe improves each passing day. So theories change all the time. A good example is, the Vedas are unaware of the existence of the planets beyond Saturn, the moons of Jupiter and Saturn etc.. as people did not know about telescopes back then.
You talk about design, but let me ask you this: Who designed the Designer? If an effect has to have a cause, what is the cause of the effect called the Designer?
As to to the matter of evidence, can you tell me of a better way to determine if a claim is true or false? If I say that I've put a teapot into an orbit around the Sun between Earth and Mars (Russel's teapot), would you believe me?
Good to see that some ppl exists who think life beyond life,not merely drink,eat,sleep. If you say vedas are unaware of planets beyond saturn and all,I have to tell u,please consider oldest Vedas,if Vedas in some cases didn't mentioned information beyond Saturn then its true but incomplete information.I had this question before what u asked and along with one more question why we forget everything of previous birth after rebirth,and then i realised It would be horrid to remember all things we did and went thru.,Plus the over-load on our brains! We are already insane enough without all that memory of past lives swirling around us.same way the information provided to us is adequate,Some vedas emphasis May life in solar system ,and one veda (bhagwat geeta only) speaks beyond this see what Gita 10/42 says. Lord Krishna here says that the whole created universe represents his one part. We do not know how many such parts exist. complete – complete =complete. Vedas also mentioned life on other planet and planets of other gods Read arjun Krishna samwaad bhagwat geeta havin these information is in pieces based on out materlistic limitation
we arent able to solve earthly misteries how can think of beyond,even when u manage a thing you plan,execute and then control but its always good to plan short goals to acheive bigger one,and consider lesson learnt as bigger one may require diffrent TOOLS and TECHNIQUES.So vedas hints life on other planets.”None knoweth whence creation has arisen, and whether He has or has not produced it. He who surveys it in the highest heavens, he only knows, or perhaps he knows not.from the Hymn of Creation, Rig Veda.
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Scientifically ,On this earth planet,based on evidences Sri Ram was about 18 million Yrs ago and sri Krishn was about 5,000 Yrs ago. Buildings don’t survive that long and coins are coincidental to find, whereas the bed of the river Jamuna have risen and changed quite significantly. So, digging the entire district of Mathura to find a tiny gold coin of the period of the demon king Kans is not feasible. The most reliable reaffirmations of the authenticity of the unbroken continuity of the Hindu civilization of 1,900 million Yrs The Bhagwatam explains history since the creation of this brahmand, from 155.52 trillion Yrs ago and up to the period of Krishn. Scientist may say that stars in the universe are up to 14 billion Yrs old, whereas medium size stars could be 8 to 12 billion Yrs old, and the age of the universe could be 15 to 20 billion Yrs old. But, is it the age of the total universe? No, because the universe also contains black holes and the neutron stars whose age is not added to it. Paul Davies in his book “The Last Three Minutes” (1994 by Basic Books, Harpers Collins, New York), describes about astronomers’ understanding of the fate of the stars. He says“Nobody knows how many stars have already succumbed in this manner, but the Milky Way alone could contain billions of these stellar corpses… A dwarf star at the bottom end of the stellar-mass range may shine steadily for a trillion yrs.Think of a dwarf star changing to a neutron star, and turning into a black hole. It may easily come to several trillion Yrs. And then, how long these black holes have been in existence, no one knows. Thus, it could be reasonably believed that the universe must have been existing for hundreds of trillions of Yrs.It could be further believed that when these black holes were in the shape of the stars, the configuration of the clusters and galaxies of the universe of that period may have been different than it is observed today.Again if you consider the universe of that period (when the existing black holes of that period were the stars) there must also have been black holes in the cosmos of that period, because the existence of the black holes is the procedural factor of cosmicmechanics.In this way, going backward and backward, you will find that the true life of the universe comes to uncountable trillions of Yrs, Cconsidering uncountable trillions of Yrs as the total age of the universe, the figure of 155.52 trillion Yrs as the total age of our earth planet. knowing designer n cause of the effect, teaport placement .things if out of scope cn b felt beyond materialist things,through Adhyatam ,Senses s of object <The mind <understanding<Soul.
You seem to imply that information overload can kill the brain. It may have been so in the past. I don't really see it as a problem now that we have computers. I don't need to memorize data. Computers store it and I just need to know how to query it. During Vedic times they didn't have fast means of information transmission and duplication. That is probably why they had to spend years memorizing texts. So to them, huge amounts of information may have looked daunting and scary. Such limitations are no longer a problem today.
Ram is from 18 million years ago? The human species didn't even exist then. Just because Blackholes can last for a trillion years doesn't make the case for Universe being trillions of years old. Is it possible? Yes. But I wouldn't take the word of ancient scriptures on that. They were written at a time when people didn't even know how the Sun works. So without any proofs to substantiate the numbers, how can I trust them?
As I said earlier making a claim without any evidence is extremely easy. Here's one:
I am an alien from the Betelgeuse star system and I am here on Earth to do research for an intergalactic encyclopedia. You don't believe me? You want proof? You can't comprehend it. You won't even be able to see it if the proof were dancing naked in front of you because are stuck with a primitive protein based brain. You need a quantum mechanical nano scale brain to realize that I'm an alien. Even your Sun is pathetic to compared to the energy output of Betelgeuse. You humans still think that spirituality is the ultimate state to be in. Just like how material world is an illusion to you, spiritual world is an illusion to us Betelgeusians. There is a much higher, grander, euphoric state. Of course, you wouldn't understand that with your archaic brain structures. Also in a few years from now, the Earth will be destroyed to make way for a galactic highway. So enjoy your insignificant lives while there is time. Meanwhile, I'll go and grab a lunch at the restaurant at the end of the Universe.
I think i have offended you some how, your entire mail is "pointer" "you" or "you human"and honestly i don't want discussion in argumentative mode.so i ll carry my beliefs and other carry own.One thing i understand is that we can never satisfy a critic because he can’t leave his critical nature, and you can never convince an obstinate person because he wouldn't accept your statements. Explanations and evidences are for for open-minded people who are willing to correct their mistakes and are ready to accept the right path and the honest statement.additionally you are not reading the entire content it seems picking a line and making it a mode of discussion.i know your science can prevent or delay death but can not cure it,God system is so powerful that no body crack that,I have to tell u i am doing phd in computer science from CMU united states so i am not new to computers,i would not want to argue further and leave the topic here.
This too will be my last post to you.
I used a tad too many pronouns in a fictitious paragraph that is supposed to illustrate the nature of unsubstantiated claims. I phrased that paragraph in the same way religious texts are written - an all knowing author condescends upon the reader to enlighten him. Did you read it as directed towards you and perchance took offense? If so, I apologize.
I have no problem at all in accepting your statements. The only catch is, show me some supporting evidence that is *verifiable*. Just words from old books don't count as evidence.
PS: Why the reference to a Phd in CS? Have I ever insinuated that you were not familiar with computers?
Some ppl are refereing hindu philosopy as indian philosophy .95 % of population in nepal are hindu.Guys don't exclude & divide us from our root .What do you guys say about that.
To Satish,
It took less than 2000 years for us to take human to moon and outerspace from scratch (dark ages).
Were our ancestors unscientific, unintelligent etc. to not develop such technology in any period within 18 million years ago (with Sri Ram) and 5000 years ago (with Sri Krishna) and Vedas even before that (with all those scientific knowledge encrypted and written in wow! the most scientific language - NASA themselves acknowledged in their 1992 magazine!!) ?
Moreso with those wonderful descriptions of Aeorplane - Pushpak Vimaan in Ramayana, Ballistic Missiles, Rocket Launchers, Atom Bombs - Brahma-astra etc. in the Mahabharata ? after which everything returned to STATE ZERO ?
A state similar to that can be achieved after a third world war if it happens in future. Not a dust will remain !! whither then a fossil of Sri Rama ? or Sri Krishna?
Hinduism resonate with with my spirit and the way I see things.The way I persive deep things even before I came across writings like these here. I understood how life works. Love the blog. Keep teaching.
lake
@su
Isn't it so very convenient to say that everything was destroyed and that is why there is no evidence?
How am I to trust your claims? Do you believe that I'm an alien from the Betelgeuse star system? I have proof. My existence was foretold in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy. Do you deny that? If yes, why?
Shri. Satish,
Why Hitchhikers Guide ??
Your existence was foretold in the Bhagawad Gita itself..
5000 yrs ago Krishna told Arjuna (Satish)... Difference between you and me is that you are not able to remember your previous lives while I know all of them. Both of us have past many many lives and many more will come.
The Same Big-bang will repeat again and again.
Vyasa says : "Even the laws of physics and mathematics would change with each manwantara; when new Vedas will be delivered by Rishis (Scientists). There will be another re-composition of the Vedas in the Kali-yuga. The person will be of Drona's clan"
(May note that Drona was born in a test-tube hence was also known as 'Kuta-ja' meaning born within a pot.
@Su
You still haven't answered my question. Do you believe that I'm an alien from the Betelgeuse star system? If no, why?
@su Adi Shankara described several types of people you should not hold dialogue with and one of them is someone who will not budge from their position at all and the guy u are tryng to explain is a guy who is not worth your time
Dear Satish & Rashmi,
Since you both are so interested in this subject, let me suggest a very good read.
An interesting idea is presented on 'Mentalism''World-mind'and 'Overself' by Dr Paul Brunton in his book 'The wisdom of the overself'.
I purchased this book over the net from 'flipcart.com'.
Particularly on 'The Birth of the Universe' - a very logical approach is presented - which you will find very appealing (especially Satish).
i personally feel that this subject deserves a very open mind - and within our finite birth, we must try and see how we can make our this existence enjoyable, fun and enlightening by sharing ideas in a mature way which is beneficial to all. We can keep arguing over all issues and spend energy and not gain anything in the process - except perhaps practice some intellectual stimulation which will be temporarily gratifying. But using ideas to evolve into a higher plane(like satish from the Betelgeuse star system)... that will be fun.
read this book - and we will discuss again. BTW, Betelguese star system could be the 'Mahar loka'? Or is it 'Talatala'. Cheers. Ravi from Muscat
I'm against Universe expansion and have a blog over it:
For example a question: The universe expand in any radius at light speed: How can accelerate? At what speed expand the diameter (radius x 2)?
This and more questions, doubts, proofs and hypothesis agains Universe expansion in http://bigbangno.wordpress.com
Thanks.
Here i saw different types of opinion different people. See in kaliyug people wil not accept anything as it is n dey keep question through out his lyf were he end up in knowing nothing. Satish said he want evidence nobody gave him perfect ans, hinduissm is not hinduissm it is universe n beyond universe. Wen we are enlightened d doors of world secret wil be revelled. Before tat in dwaapara yuga krishna lived and bhagavath gita came from d lord teacher himself. Tats wy people are still debating on dis.. N people have researched and scientist and many archeologist have done survey n recently they have found d stones and scriptures of dwaapara yuga. Which was test in lab dey have agreed d existence of dwaapara yuga. Still in d sea near by india dey are finding it.. Ramayana also existed tats d eye witness which we have d bridge connected to srilanka. N in srilanka still d hanuman destroyed d places n fired d place are remaining same u can visit those places n it is eye witness.. We can find lot of evidence in india about hinduissm if we go to himalaya we can find hanuman in dyana inside d rock if we go near tat we can hear d sounding ram ram.. We can hear near by little further in another rock mountain sounding OM. U visit there. Then u question untill then pls do not blindly question the existence. I hope satish wil understand it in right manner..
To All,
Well , would knowing about the start or the end of universe or formation of universe help better our lives? you still wud need to breathe, eat, drink, sleep and socialise....even if u go the spiritual way, to attain slavation, u need to practice equanimity get rid of karma's etc etc, even if u totally believe in reincarnation, re births etc, how does formation of universe have any significance.....Dont indulge yr self in such topics, its pointless. IF VEDAS can prove there is a creator then who is the creator of that creator. IF vedas talk about Karma and say that the creator had a soul, where did that soul come from, did the soul not go through wht other souls go through??????????
Hi all,
My name is Clovis, I'm a French AND American man (but born in France), I am 28.
I have not read all of the posts since it's 5am here and I'm tired (but I will when I get up, even though I don't understand it all).
I got here by searching on the net for 'cosmos sagan "no doubt by accident" hindu'.
I was shocked to hear him say that ('no doubt by accident'). What a lack of humility!
It upset me beyond words! I don't know a thing about Hinduism and I wouldn't dare to dismiss something just like that!
How childishly blind and ignorant, typical of modern scientific minds! How can they ever get to the truth, when they dismiss stuff just by snapping fingers so arrogantly!
He does the same in one of the first parts about Astrology, by 'demonstrating' it cannot work because twins have different lives!!! Ever heard of an Astral theme? I don't know much about this either, but just because you can't understand something, you cannot throw it away like garbage!! What if?
You pissed me off, Mr Sagan!
Anyway, R.I.P. to him.
Now I want to know more about Hinduism; it's not the first time something strikes me about it, and the truths it seems to contain.
Can you tell me where I should start, what I should read first? Maybe a link or two?
By the way you all speak GREAT English, of which I haven't seen in a long time! I lived in America for 3 years, and Americans seem even dumber to me now... (Ever and Ever... :-)
Anyway, thanks in advance,
Cheers
Clovis
'no doubt by accident' >-(
on a more sane note: people some genius once said, the theory of evolution falls flat if you could show the fossil of a rabbit in the pre cambrian! the human species have been around for the last 200000~100000 years. These rig vedas and other stuff are work of literature. just leave them the way they are..as literature and philosophy. These are not the truths. Carl Sagan knew that. Hope you Indians have some humility when it comes to science.
WHAT A FASCINATING VIDEO CLIP AND EXPLANATION!
WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST, WHATEVER HAPPENING NOW AND WHATEVER IS IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE IN EVERY FIELD OF CREATION HAS BEEN RECORDED IN THE SACRED BOOKS OF SANATANA DHARMA NAMELY WHAT WE CALL HINDUISM IN THIS MODERN TIMES INCLUDING ALL THE COMPUTER KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS AN UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED FACT AND TRUTH.
THERE IS NO THER WAY BUT TO ACCEPT AND GET ON WITH IT.
WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL THE PRESENTER OF THIS VIDEO CLIP AND EXPLANATION.
LET US HOPE AND PRAY EVERY HUMAN IN THIS UNIVERSE WIL NOT LOOSE THIS OPURTUNITY OF WATCHING & READING THIS AT LEAST ONCE IN A LIFE TIME.
"BHAGWATGEETA"named 155minute SANSKRIT MOVIE made in 1992 by director G V Aiyr, Anantlaxmi films.It is shooted in himalayas on 14000 feet.
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hi, great information. This video is working fine..
Thanks for helping me !!!
The temple in this video is Thanjavur Brhadiswara temple of Lord Shiva.
The temple in this video is the famous Brhadiswara temple of Lord Shiva built by the Chola king RajaRajan at Thanjavur,Tamil Nadu,India.
Last year the 1000th year anniversary was celebrated. 1001 years ago,this temple was built.
To Rashmi
There is no need to respond to individual opinions as expressed by Satish . As you mentioned , there is limitation to the human mind . Few people argue for the sake of arguing . No need to contradict them or prove anything to them . People always take what is valuable and what is truth ..that is why it is said "Satyameva Jayate" . Only Truth triumphs . Why else would anyone read ancient scriptures even after thousands of years .
Radhasoami Faith View of Modus Operandi of Creation of Universe
Part - I
There is cosmological evidence for God and the Universe existed before
Big Bang please.
Stephen Hawking writes in The Grand Design, “It is not necessary to
invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going.”
Hawking said the Big Bang was merely the consequence of the law of
gravity. In A Brief History of Time, Hawking had suggested that the
idea of God or a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a
scientific understanding of the Universe.
Although Hawking is very close to Truth yet he is not perfect in his
views while discarding the role of divine being. I consider the role
of eternal gravity uppermost but I strongly differ with Hawking on the
role of divine being. I consider Divine Ordainment is the cause of
Creation of Universe.
Now I give Radhasoami Faith view of Creation Theory. In Sar Bachan
(Poetry) composed by His Holiness Soamiji Maharaj the August Founder
of Radhasoami Faith the details of creation and dissolution has been
described very scientifically. It is written in Jeth Mahina (name of
Hindi moth) in this Holy Book: Only He Himself (Supreme Father)and
none else was there. There issued forth a great current of
spirituality, love and grace (In scientific terminology we may call
this current as gravitational wave). This is called His Mauj (Divine
Ordainment). This was the first manifestation of Supreme Being. This
Divine Ordainment brought into being three regions, viz., Agam, Alakh,
and Satnam of eternal bliss. Then a current emerged with a powerful
sound (this was the first Big Bang). It brought forth the creation of
seven Surats or currents of various shades and colours (in scientific
terminology we may call it electromagnetic waves). Here the true Jaman
or coagulant was given (in scientific terminology this coagulant may
be called as weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force). Surats,
among themselves, brought the creation into being.
These currents descended down further and brought the whole
universe/multi verse into being i.e. black holes, galaxies etc. were
born.
I would like to add further that sound energy and gravitational force
current are non polar entity and electromagnetic force is bi-polar.
Hence spiritual polarization, if occurred, is occurred in the region
of Sat Lok and region below to it only.
Infinite expanse of gravitational force field is the region of dark energy.
In Bible it is written that in the beginning was the Word; the Word
was with God; and the Word was God.
According to Radhasoami Faith “Shabd (Word) is the beginning and end
of all. The three loks (worlds) and the fourth Lok, all have been
created by Shabd.” (Sar Bachan Poetry)
Radhasoami Faith View of Modus Operandi of Creation of Universe
Part-II
Here the true Jaman (coagulant) was given. The spirituality coagulated
as it were, and Surats (spirit entities), among themselves, brought
the creation into being. Thereafter, another Jaman (coagulant) was
given. Regions from Agam Lok (Inaccessible Region) to Sat Lok (True
Region) were created during the first creational process. That
creation is true. That region is eternal. There is no trace of evil
and suffering. This was the creation for many Yugas and ages. Then
there appeared a dark coloured current
That current appeared like a dark coloured stone set in a white one
and was absorbed in the Darshan of True Being. Then there appeared two
Kalas i.e. currents (viz. Niranjan and Jyoti) and they together
evolved the creation of five Tattwas (elements) four Khans (species,
categories of life) and three Gunas (qualities). The three Gunas
(qualities) brought about the expansion and proliferation . They
created Rishis and Munis (sages and holy men), gods and godly human
beings and demons. Egotism then increased much. Niranjan separated
himself from the rest, putting the burden of looking after the
creation on them. Nobody could know of Niranjan. Even the Vedas
referred to Him as Neti Neti (Not this, Not this). They did not get
Darshan (Vision) of Niranjan. They made conjectures. Then how can
anybody have knowledge of Sat Purush (True Being), Source of Niranjan
and all that exists.
Scientifically here Jyoti represent three Fundamental Forces of
Quantum Mechanics i.e. electromagnetic force, weak nuclear force and
strong nuclear force. NIRANJAN is the fourth Fundamental Force i.e.
Gravitation Force. Scientific explanation follows in support of my
views.
Radhasoami Faith View of Modus Operandi of Creation of Universe
Part-III
Einstein struggled and failed to formulate this theory, but it has
already been shown that at high enough energies electromagnetism and
the weak force are the same force known as the electroweak force. It
is theorized that if energies are increased even further and neutrinos
acquire mass, which has now been fully documented, all the known
forces will reduce to the same force thus providing the basis for the
Grand Unified Theory. This high energy level existed only during the
very early expansion of the Universe known as the Planck Epoch which
existed up to 10 to the negative 43rd seconds after the Big Bang where
the four fundamental forces – electromagnetism, weak nuclear force,
strong nuclear force and gravitation – all had the same strength.
After that point the energy level decreased and gravity separated from
the other 3 fundamental forces and with condensation of elementary
particles (quarks, leptons, and gauge bosons) into matter formed the
so-called Standard Model of today’s Universe. (Source: Comments by
William H. Depperman posted at blog http://factoidz.com/scientific...
It is well known that nothing or very little is known about
gravitational force till today. It is a mysterious force.
Anirudh Kumar Satsangi, Dayalbagh, Agra
Hello folks,
Quite Interesting blog. There's life here. The comment wars and counter strikes, alliances all were great. Lets see if this can ignite some thought: Whatever we think (including new thoughts) are links of thought waves initiated by someone before; the waves keep on travel as OpenSource and those who can tune themselves gets clarity. This applies to Good as well as Evil thought. So it is imperative to cultivate good thoughts for the remotest bad ones today could spell havoc tomorrow through someone who's capable execution.
Are we confusing Cosmic Being to God? If it has a form, then it is no longer be infinite, hence could not be God, if it transcends to our eyes after Tapas....it could be Cosmic Being from a different dimension. And that since that dimension could have its own relative acceleration, we are not able to conceive or comprehend such an existence between us Humans.
tat sat
In the debate between christians and atheists in the west,christians argue for God's existence.
They use an argument called the fine-tuning argument. The universe seems to be fine-tuned for life to exist,if some of the physical constants had been slightly different , life could not have evolved,so it seems the creation of the universe was a counscious act.
They also argue that the big bang must have had a cause ,it could not have appeared out of nothing.It must be something supernatural otherwise the universe would not have happened ,since this is considered a violation of the second law of thermodynamics,energy can neither dissapear or appear ,just change form.
I have been both christian and atheist but I am no longer that.The strange thing is that I am reaching some of the same conclusions as hindus believe in through reason alone, even though I am not a hindu or now hindu scripture.
In some time from now the universe will no longer exist
because the stars would have burned all their fuel,and it would not be enough heat to sustain life.
If the universe was created for life ,the most logical thing would be that the universe would be destroyed,when the conditions for having life would no longer be met.Then a supernatural force , or a God would destroy it somehow.
It is a habit of these western scientists to re-package stolen information and present it with pomp and grandeur as theirs. A Video with visual background of a Hindu temple and a commentary that the Hindu's calculation of the age of Brahma's cycle was 8.4 billion years was an accident is to make Hinduism look like a fluke. This shows the UGLY thinking of westerners in demeaning others and promoting self-grandiosity. How do these charlatans ... so called scientists know what they claim? What is the process of their calculation of the age of Brahma's cycle? If you observe their process, they make several questionable assumptions. Maybe, they wanted to reach the figure somewhere close to the Brahma's cycle, and that is why they reverse-engineered and doctored the calculations!! Whenever these guys demean Hinduism, it has a purpose behind the language and words they choose to diminish Hinduism's achievement. Like the British guy McCauly accepted that the strength of Hinduism lies in its Culture and Heritage; unless it is destroyed and replaced by Western culture, the British will not be able to rule over India. That is what is happening TODAY. All evils of the west are adopted in India which makes them feel more CULTURED and ADVANCED. Listen to Yatharth Geeta (hindi version) from Shri Adgadananda's Ashram. It will teach you who you are, why you are and your extension from this so called existence, called the universe.
Following the western culture is considered as being modern, such as, being Gay, being promiscuius, disrespect of elders, seeking pleasure in materialism instead of building relationships, instant gratification attitudes, corrupt thinking - corruption in every walk of like, chasing fame, money and power ... the means justify the end. The word morals and ethics is missing from today's vocabulary. Deceit, Lies and Fraud is the model for today's dealings. This is deceptively enforced in the form of social conditioning through the media - movies, TV reality shows which promote and inculcate destructive personality traits from childhood.
i could not get access to video.please help.i wish to know as to when ram-ravan war,mahabharat war were fought and sinking of dwarka in sea occurred? feel free to contact me on email id ak.gurtu@rediffmail.com thanks.
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